The SatMap Active 10

Posted by: BobTheFish

The SatMap Active 10 - 01/10/09 08:18 PM

What should i say?
I think this gadget is a one off that's just brilliant cool

I haven't done the C2C yet but I'm planning to do It next yr (May 2010). I want to do It in 3 parts, 3 weeks 3 days in each week. Thats doing it in 9 days, but from what I've been reading I think that's a bit ambitious!

I've spent the last week organising my trip, I've used the SatMap Route Planner Software, Planned my route (following the AW Route) and got it all sorted on my SatMap. I'm not doing the camping lark, rather have a good nights sleep.


Anyone that thinks the SatMap has its floors then please tell me, I've used it now on about 5 or 6 walks ands I cannot find any faults!!
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 01/10/09 08:45 PM

Cost, obviously .... you need to be a regular walker in order to get a return on your investment .... £300 for the basic model (or cheaper on ebay or with YHA/Ramblers/Camping Club/Scouts/Guides/Still breathing discount at most retailers, plus the cost of mapcards. Mine was bought for me .... £500 including 2 site-centred mapcards but it has been a superb investment. I have twice been caught outside on my own when the weather has closed in .... once up Meldon Hill and once up Outberry ....both featureless areas of the North Pennines without any paths. The Satmap got me off effortlessly.

Also, although I use the powerpack, I always feel the need to carry the original battery holder plus spare rechargeable batteries. There could be a problem getting the powerpack recharged if you are too remote for an electrical socket.

The major, overriding advantage however, remains that it is the only unit that uses genuine OS maps.
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 01/10/09 10:00 PM

Do you think the plus version is worth the extra?
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 07:14 AM

Apologies ... I can't answer this one .... I have the first model so I have no experience of the new one. I suppose the answer is .... how much do you intend to use it once you have completed the C to C?

I have added the powerpack (£35 from Amazon) to my basic model.... which really is an essential. This is included with the PLUS ... so factor this cost into a basic model. I use the rechargable lithium battery but carry the original battery pack and standard rechargeable batteries as backup. I assume (but can't confirm)that this is possible with a PLUS
Posted by: Harland

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 09:06 AM

I have thought about buying a GPS for walking for a while but as I always take a map and compass and can navigate reasonably well I have never got round to buying or even using one. The other reason is the additional weight as I try, although not always successful, to keep the weight down. However as I intend to walk Land's End to John O'Groats next year having a GPS would be of benefit especially one with OS Maps.

My question, if someone could take the time, is how much does this GPS weigh, the powerpack, batteries, spare batteries and anything else that you need to carry to make it work. Thanks in advance for anyone who has one and has time to reply.
Posted by: BobTheFish

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 10:20 AM

It doesn't weigh that much it's like a big mobile phone. I don't have the extra power pack, but it uses 4 AA batteries, and I've just been running mine on 4 Duracell AA's and still have a full battery readout. I've used it for a total of about 14 hours so far. I'm going to keep track on the ammount of time these batterys last, cause if it's a fair time then just taking 4 AA batteries as a spare would be the best answer.

The main benefit of the SatMap is how easy it is to use, I used to have a Garmin eTrex, Nightmare in comparison.

It may take out the excitement of map reading, but it gives you more time to enjoy the walk and less time being worried about which way to go!!
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 10:30 AM

Hi Harland

I've just weighed mine ....

Satmap, mapcard, case and rechargeable battery (as used on walks) ... 338gm
charger ........ 141 gm

Remember you would need to be able to recharge the lithium battery every couple of days or so. Disposables are useless ... I got 5 hours from a new set of 3 Duracell with the screen on low (at a cost of £3.19).
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 10:33 AM

Sorry Bob ... I wasn't picking faults ... you must have been typing the same time as I was and I hadn't seen your post.. No offence intended.

Are you sure that it requires 4 batteries ... mine only takes 3!!! Perhaps the PLUS is different in this respect.
Posted by: BobTheFish

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 11:04 AM

Doh! 3 is the right answer, just making sure you were paying attention!
Posted by: Harland

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 12:51 PM

Thanks to both of you, I think that I may put it on my Christmas list - wish my mum was still alive, I'm sure she would have bought it for me!
Posted by: scottie2

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 02:15 PM

cant think what anybody did before sat navs ,mobiles etc !!!
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 03:00 PM

.......... just ask your local search and rescue team .........
Posted by: The Lost Walker

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 02/10/09 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: slowcoach
Hi Harland

I've just weighed mine ....

Satmap, mapcard, case and rechargeable battery (as used on walks) ... 338gm
charger ........ 141 gm

Remember you would need to be able to recharge the lithium battery every couple of days or so. Disposables are useless ... I got 5 hours from a new set of 3 Duracell with the screen on low (at a cost of £3.19).


I used the Satmap for my recent c2c, using the rechargable battery, on average I was getting approx 15 hours + out of one full charge, when I didn't have charging facilities I used the supplied battery holder (satmap plus) with Energiser Lithium batteries they are more expensive than the Duracell but last a lot longer, shop around and you will get them at a good price I paid £5.49 for a pack of six and will never use any other type of battery again www.eurobatteries.com

Harland...... the Satmap is expensive but this is a perfect example of "you get what you pay for", I will never go into the hills again without it (plus map & compass just incase things go wrong)purchasing the Satmap Plus gives you acess to the satmap route planning / sharing software as wellas the power pack, hence the extra cost but well worth it.

Be a good boy and you never know, Santa may come early for you.....buy and enjoy.

TLW
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 06/10/09 06:49 AM

I so fancy one of these but it is the cost of the maps putting me off now. I had a quick look on EBay and I see the odd map becomes available. Has anyone built up a collection of the key ones off there, i.e. C2C, Snowdonia, Peak District, Lake District, Clwyd, Shropshire?

If I knew they became available cheaper every few months it would sway me into investing and building the collection.
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 06/10/09 07:18 AM

Look at buying a site centred map covering the area(s) that you visit the most. I bought one centred on the Tebay service station (as you would). This gave me virtually all the Lake District (minus the extreme west), the Dales as far north as the Roman wall (almost), south as Skipton and east as Harrogate.

Yes, it was expensive .... many pennies, but it covers the vast majority of the north of England at 1:25000 and 1:50000. I have no real use for any others areas except the North York Moors which I bought separately.

They will, I am sure, become cheaper with time and a secondhand market will build up. I am also sure that some enterprising fellow will set up a swap shop. Now ... there's a thought!
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 06/10/09 07:32 AM

How much are the site centered maps? (I couldn't see them on Sat Maps website) Sounds a good idea smile
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 06/10/09 09:58 AM

They are on the SATMAP page under "custom mapping". Try
http://www.satmap.com/ukstore/index.php?cPath=80_98

However, before you look at the prices, have a stiff drink, make sure that nothing is breakable nearby and send the wife out of the room.

I THINK I paid about £130 but then I saved on buying the Lakes and the Dales cards plus gaining some extra areas in the high Pennines .... my favourite stomping ground. For me a good investment.

On your Christmas list however ......
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 06/10/09 10:30 AM

Just checked on my mapcard (a 90km x 90km one as they didn't offer the larger ones when I got it). It covers ENNERDALE yha to Marrick on the C to C and Gargrave to Slaggyford on the Pennine Way. Buying the 110 x 110 km would obviously add further to these distances.

What I did was to get an atlas of Britain. Draw on some tracing paper a rectangle 90 x 90 km at the same scale. Join the diagonals and then draw the 80 x 80 70 x 70 rectangles from the same centrepoint. By moving this around I could fix the best point to have the map centred on.

Expensive, but, I feel, value for money given what I (personally) require.
Posted by: Oldun

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 06/10/09 04:18 PM

Just to poke my nose in on this thread. I have used GPS’s for many years; going back to an ex Falklands unit that required a wheelbarrow to carry it. The best one I have tried is the one I currently have: a Garmin Colorado 300. It is quite light, uses 2 x Duracell batteries per day and can cling onto satellites even through dense trees and up against rock walls. It is very easy to set, but my one grump is that the thumb wheel used to get from screen to screen gets blocked with grime and is sometimes difficult to turn.
Posted by: Smokingman

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 07/10/09 02:27 PM

Personally I use a Dell Axim x51 PDA with a Bluetooth GPS receiver. As for software it uses Memory Map with the relevant map for area I am walking in, and TOMTOM to get me there. Map and compass is always better as it covers a greater area to view at any one time, and they do not need batterys.

Pros:
More versatile, Cheaper to buy, Memory Maps cover greater area of UK & Cheaper and on CD.


Cons:
Battery life on standard battery is about 8hrs for PDA, 6hrs for GPS receiver. Longer with battery packs. Not robust ie waterproof.
Posted by: Harland

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 07/10/09 02:40 PM

An objective review of the Satmap Active 10 can be found here:-

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/satmap-active10-handheld-topo-gps-a10115.php
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 08/10/09 09:41 PM

An issue with Memory Maps that one of the specialist (Lake District) walking shops showed me (probably having spotted that I wasn't going to buy into them) is the omission of a number of features (including paths/roads) in tree covered areas. Evidently, the makers took aerial photographs and drew their maps from these. Unfortunately, when tree cover obliterated the features down below the makers interpolated them ... occasionally with amusing results. I, personally, find OS maps comforting!!
Posted by: Tortoise

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 09/10/09 09:43 AM

I don't understand this comment. Memory Map use the Standard OS mapping - the licence fees paid to OS for the maps are the reason why they are so expensive! I've never found the slightest variation between them and the printed OS maps - and I have MM mapping at both 1:50k and 1:25k for the whole country!
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 09/10/09 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: slowcoach
An issue with Memory Maps that one of the specialist (Lake District) walking shops showed me (probably having spotted that I wasn't going to buy into them) is the omission of a number of features (including paths/roads) in tree covered areas. Evidently, the makers took aerial photographs and drew their maps from these. Unfortunately, when tree cover obliterated the features down below the makers interpolated them ... occasionally with amusing results. I, personally, find OS maps comforting!!

If they can't cope with tree covered paths and roads they've no chance with road or rail tunnels.
Posted by: Tortoise

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 09/10/09 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Lounge Lizard
Originally Posted By: slowcoach
An issue with Memory Maps that one of the specialist (Lake District) walking shops showed me (probably having spotted that I wasn't going to buy into them) is the omission of a number of features (including paths/roads) in tree covered areas. Evidently, the makers took aerial photographs and drew their maps from these. Unfortunately, when tree cover obliterated the features down below the makers interpolated them ... occasionally with amusing results. I, personally, find OS maps comforting!!

If they can't cope with tree covered paths and roads they've no chance with road or rail tunnels.


LL - see my comment just before yours...
Posted by: midgetarget

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 10/10/09 08:48 AM

Hi guys, Here's a link to the Gadget Show where they're reviewing the Satmap 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJyt3RFycsE

midgetarget
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 13/10/09 10:13 PM

I've now taken the plunge and purchased a SatMap Active 10. I'm pleased with my initial dabblings with it but plenty to clarify. When I do the C2C next year I will take most of the OS maps and the strip maps but was thinking of buying the OS map for the C2C which the SatMap Active uses (have a plan of trying to recoup much of the purchase price of just that map on Ebay).

As I intend to often take the lower routes can anyone confirm that it will be worth buying the C2C map for the SatMap? i.e. does it provide a good enough span to accomodate the taking of lower routes?
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 16/10/09 10:06 AM

If you intend to sell the mapcard afterwards it is probably a good investment as there will undoubtedly be a market for it. However, what sort of walking do you actually do? If you intend to visit the Lakes and Dales in the future then these two maps might be a wiser investment as you can then use them on future visits (or a site centred one which will cover you From St Bees to Richmond). I know that parts will be missing (eg the Moors) but, the OS will cover these areas.
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 16/10/09 07:31 PM

Thanks Slowcoach, good points. I have walked in the Lakes and will be in the future. I intend to add the Lakes to my collection of maps. I still fancy the idea of having the whole route on my GPS but your idea of a site centered map is worth considering as an alternative. I'm wondering how big an area the C2C map spans either side of the recognized main routes.
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 08/11/09 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By: scottie2
cant think what anybody did before sat navs ,mobiles etc !!!

Only an idiot might not realise that maps, compass and common sense were all that was needed before the days of sat navs and mobile phones.
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 08/11/09 08:37 PM

Not forgetting the obligatory coins that had to be carried so that you could use a payphone in an emergency. This was always a requirement in basic first aid kit in my days!
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 21/11/09 06:51 PM

I was pleased with my Sat Map Active 10 at first even though it always took 3 to 5 mins to get a lock but ( after only a few months of use)I find it does not find a lock at all sometimes. I have tried switching it on and off and sometimes this works but not always. I emailed the support on their website but did not get a reply. Anyone any advice or similar feedback?
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 21/11/09 07:40 PM

I had a similar problem at first .... even ringing them up from the top of the Pennines in thick mist. One of my settings had been corrupted which they fixed over the phone. Try switching it on and giving them a ring. Mine usually locks within a minute now (out of doors)
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 26/11/09 05:26 AM

Originally Posted By: slowcoach
I had a similar problem at first .... even ringing them up from the top of the Pennines in thick mist. One of my settings had been corrupted which they fixed over the phone. Try switching it on and giving them a ring. Mine usually locks within a minute now (out of doors)


Did you ring them on the number on the website? I have sent a few emails and have not had a response which is disapointing, I had high hopes as they seemed to be the markrt leader.
Posted by: slowcoach

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 26/11/09 08:05 AM

I rang them on 08458730101 from above Garrigill after failing to get a lock for some considerable time. Evidently the problem was that there had been a software update to improve the lock which was not on my system. They sent me an SD card to correct it after enabling me to get a lock over the phone.

Yesterday however, I got an email from them informing me of a further update (V1.4) which is available from their website. This has a number of minor additions to its functions which are, in fact, very useful. there is also one which can be purchased which claims, it says, to give 100hours of battery life!!!

If you have registered your satmap with them these updates come regularly via email.
Posted by: scaredovheights

Re: The SatMap Active 10 - 28/11/09 08:29 AM

Thanks SC smile