Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated

Posted by: Albionman

Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 13/01/07 04:27 PM

Hi folks

I'm a cafe owner in a small town in the Yorkshire Dales which attracts a large number of walkers - I sometimes get asked to make up a packed lunch for people going off walking for the day and I wondered if I should market this service more widely?

Being a keen Dales walker myself I know that on many local walks there are few if any places to eat and I was considering offering a service where if you order by close of play the day before - either in person or by email, fax or phone - you can pick up the lunch first thing in the morning. Do you think that would be of interest to people?

If so, what would you expect in such a lunch and what would you be prepared to pay? I was thinking along these lines:

- 2 rounds of sandwiches
- 1 piece of fruit
- 1 drink (juice or water?)
- 1 cereal bar (or chocolate bar?)
- 1 bag of crisps

Is that too much/not enough is the balance of items right?
How much would you pay for it?

Id be really grateful for your feedback and views on any other services a business like mine could provide for walkers.

Thanks
Ian
Posted by: basil

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 13/01/07 04:42 PM

Albionman,
This is a very good idea, as when I'm on LDP's you tend to just get what amounts to a fairly unimaginative package.

Your suggestions sounds pretty much what most folks consider a good packed lunch but what about some local delights, all those wonderful cheeses and hams and some home made cake?

I'll look you up when next up that way, if you've got some decent local cheeses, hams and pickles.

Wouldn't mind paying a premium for it either.
Posted by: Harland

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 13/01/07 05:51 PM

You may wish to try and get local B&Bs to market your service (for a % of the price). I would be unlikely to email, phone etc for a packed lunch). Happy to pop in the night before if you were local or pop in in the morning on the basis that there are some to pick up. Like the food but personally I don't like crisps in my packed lunch, whilst I like them they are never easy to pack unless you add more weight for a container and if you don't they get severely broken! Keen on Mars bars, the chocolate doesn't seem to melt notwithstanding the heat of the day!

Good luck
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 13/01/07 08:43 PM

My own packed lunches tend to contain:
Mars bars, Bonbel cheeses, uncut Salami type sausage,bananas,hard uncut whole grain bread.

Water is normally already carried in back pack lungs or in daily water bottles.

I find that prepared sandwiches go soggy and become indigestable. Crisps, fruit juice, apples, oranges, cereal bars make me thirsty and give me acid heart burn, and I am always having to stop to force air up out of my stomach.

I always carry a pack of nuts, raisins, dried fruit, or jerky in my pocket for along the trail nibbles extra energy boosts.

Most times now in the winter I carry a thermos of hot, sweet green tea to keep my body temperature up.

If you can start the B&B's along these LDT's producing thoughtful, healthy, packed lunches it would be wonderful, as now I have stopped asking for them. They cost too much and I throw them away after carrying them all day.

One thing that spoils walks for me is to come across thrown down food and packing waste along the trail.
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 14/01/07 05:00 PM

Albionman. For those of us blessed with a healthy appetite the Packed Lunch you describe would barely be adequate as a mid-morning snack half way towards the lunchtime pub stop. Some accomodation providers offer a choice of packed lunches and it might be a good idea for you to consider also offering a Premium Packed Lunch, at a higher price and also probably more profitable, consisting of the items you suggest plus an extra round of sandwiches, a pork pie, a cake, the recommended five daily portions of fruit, a bar of Kendal Mint Cake and a litre carton of fruit juice.
Posted by: Albionman

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 14/01/07 05:20 PM

Blimey LL - I'm amazed you can walk anywhere carrying that lot!
Posted by: Sam Peps

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 14/01/07 06:02 PM

There are lunches, feasts, gluttony,and then there's ...
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 14/01/07 08:54 PM

.......one could also pull a trailer with an ale keg. This would solve most problems.
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 14/01/07 08:59 PM

Oldun, 'cask' not 'keg' please !
Posted by: madame cholet

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 14/01/07 09:43 PM

A thoughtful stoking is always in order and very difficult to find for travellers. I try to throw in some gourmet offerings whenever I can, but usually eat very light when walking, trail mix, fruit, perhaps a piece of quiche and a flask of honeyed tea. I prefer the incentive of a fine, well deserved feast in the pub after a long day on the fells.

LL, that's a big mid morning refuelling and Sam, does someone keep interupting you mid sent......

Gourmet Cholet
Posted by: Helen1

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 15/01/07 12:37 AM

Hi,

When I walked part of the Offas Dyke in 2005, I stayed in a hotel and you ordered your packed lunch the night before, you could choose what you had on your sandwiches. There was

2 rounds of sandwiches
1 carton fruit juice
1 apple
cheese and crackers with pickles
1 bag crisps

may have been something else but cant remember what, but thats the type of thing I would pay for. Maybe chocolate bars, cereal bars, I also like things like cold chicken legs etc.

Might be a good idea to have a selection o people can choose and you can then cater for a wide range of tastes?
Posted by: Nimrod

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 15/01/07 08:01 PM

I always start off with a good breakfast,and then carry nothing more nuts,dried banana and Jerky. Water (tap water) suffices me for my thirst,as I find it better than carbonated drinks,which does little to quench your thirst. Boiled sweets or Mint Cake to bolster up your energy,but dried banana does that anyway. Why dried banana (or banana chips) - because if I put a fresh banana in my rucksack and I forget to eat it,I then forget it is in my rucksack. DOH!!!!!!!!!!
Nimrod
Posted by: landryrk

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 12:23 AM

When we did the C2C in September 2004, we purchased lunches from our B&B's like everyone and were mostly happy with the offerings (except for cheese & pickle sandwiches) but there was just too much food for us which was excacerbated by post-walk consumption of the so-called 'digestible' buscuits. So, when we walked the Cotswold Way in the spring of 2006, all we did was make some takeaway bacon sandwiches with some leftover breakfast toast (our B&B proprietors didn't seem to mind) and we supplemented these sandwiches with Zone powerbars that we bought over from Texas and locally purchased fresh fruit and nuts. We had plenty of food and that helped to offset the horrendously dear cost of those B&B's in Glouchestershire.
Posted by: basil

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 03:03 AM

OK, here's how you REALLY do it:

Make a good batch of beef bourgignon, cut out some puff pastry circles. In the morning of your walk, simply plop a heaped dessert spoon of the stew into the middle of the of one half of the circle and fold over the pastry and seal with some beaten egg or water. Brush some egg wash on the top of the pasty and wack in the oven for 20/25 mins on about 180/200 depending on the oven.

Take out and allow to cool for 5 mins and then wrap in kitchen paper, followed by a tea towel or serviette and then foil.

When you're at the summit or other well deserving location, unwrap your parcel and the pasty will still be just warm.

I absolutely implore you to get your head round this concept and try it. Believe me it's little more effort than making a sandwich, just some planning involved, and obviously for those staying in self catering.

Vegetarians, spicey lentil stew works just as well.

On many a top I have enjoyed these and I can tell you there's nothing quite like it.

more suggestions to follow.

Basil
Posted by: Arial

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 06:46 AM

Basil,

What a lovely suggestion. When we walked the PW in '05, my friend and I found our favorite lunch included a hard cheese, nan bread and hummus, accompanied by fruit and penguins. On the first day of our walk we met a young man who admitted that he was forced to pack in his PW 10 years earlier when he and his chum argued over penguins one morning at Hadrian's Wall. The penguins didn't translate immediately and amused by the confusion, we made penguins our staple chocolate. Truth be known, the chocolate on them is a wee bit messy and mars bars are probably a better choice.
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 07:08 AM

My school lunches as a kid were chip butties and a whole swiss roll, washed down with a bottle of Tizer. I quickly gave up walking to school and began rolling all the way.
Posted by: bb&gg

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 09:04 AM

Basil said......"Make a good batch of beef bourgignon".
........
If you can get through on your Mobile Phone, do you instruct the B&BS to prepare this for you in advance, Do you also take your full Dinner service, complete with Knife fork and spoon. Whatever Next [img]http://www.coast2coast.co.uk/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]. Maybe someone could Erect some Tables and Chairs atop of Kidsty Pike for you, and make the day of it.
Posted by: Steve N

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 01:18 PM

Albionman, I think you've got it about right, that is, as far as my personal taste goes (although I take Oldun's point about soggy sandwiches - depends what you put in them!). As far as I can remember, the many packed lunches I bought on the Pennine Way last summer varied around the 3-4 mark which felt fine. One or two were more exotic and a little pricier.
Posted by: basil

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 02:28 PM

'....and obviously for those in self catering'

If you need a knife, fork and spoon to eat a pasty, you should be reminded that a thumb and finger, even gloved will do just as well, as for the serviettes, well they are all part of the packaging I mentioned. I'm not even against the back of your sleeve.

If you've never sat down to take in the wonders, while munching on a still warm pasty, oozing with beef caserole, or spicey lentils, sitting on a dry rock, well, quite frankly, you've missed out on one of the 5* experiences of picnicing.

Basil
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 03:15 PM

What are the other 4* experiences of picnicing?
Posted by: bb&gg

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 03:32 PM

In Basils case ....


No 1...pulling over on the hard shoulder and getting your flask and two deckchairs out of the boot.

..

PS... you cant walk very far if you can.....
""munch on a still warm pasty""
Posted by: Sam Peps

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 03:48 PM

Those top of the range beef Vol-o-vent sound magnificent.

I warrant even LL would break into a smile if you passed him one whilst he was pulling the nails from his lunch crate.

Of course, only so long as they'd been heated to the regulation temp.....
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 04:05 PM

A good crusty loaf of bread and a large Thermos flask of thick soup can make a good mid morning snack.
I've not tried it myself yet, but I've heard that a sheep, caught, strangled and roasted over a log fire can be good if you've forgotten or lost your packed lunch. Better still would be venison, wild of course as the farmed version is nothing like as tasty.

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Posted by: basil

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 08:50 PM

Lounge Lizzard, Now you're talking! Remember the dough can be proving throughout the night and whacked into a hot oven for 25 minutes or so, or rolls, 10-12 minutes, as you're getting your breakfast and putting your boots on. The soup of course can be the homemade soup from the night before and tipped into a flask.

N.B.: FOR THOSE SELF CATERING ONLY!

Look for a dry rock, or not if you've waterproofs and you're off!

Basil (torn and never chopped)
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 16/01/07 10:50 PM

OK. Here's a question.

What is the most exotic dish our current tenting readers have cooked in or over a camp fire?
Posted by: Arial

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 06:06 AM

Rattlesnake.
Tastes like chicken.
Posted by: boilthebeally

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 07:47 AM

Blue tongue lizard also tastes like chicken.

Normally tho' I cook up Chili Non Carne, Spag Bol, Curry or Tuna and Couscous.


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Posted by: basil

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 12:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oldun:
OK. Here's a question.

What is the most exotic dish our current tenting readers have cooked in or over a camp fire?


Isle of Lewis wild salmon fillet wrapped in foil and baked on the fire with infusion of ginger, soy, garlic, corriander and sprinkling of sesame oil and shoyu) served with braised hijiki and sesame seeds (prepared at the cottage and wrapped in foil for easy reheating on the fire).
Ate out of the foil with grubby mits, back of sleeves as napkins.

All above infusion ingredients fitted into a waterproof matchbox. Though it was a shame that Stornaway corner shop were out of pak choi that day!

Baz
Posted by: Dr.BingoBongo

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 02:55 PM

Wow,how romantic.I hope you didn't dine alone.....but no HP sauce???

I once ate still warm sausage rolls,home made by an angel,atop Catbells.

Dr.KBD Bongo
Posted by: Nimrod

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 03:08 PM

Found this in February's Country Walking:
Wayfarer's Chicken Casserole 5. Quote:There's nothing like a hot lunch on the hill to warm you up,and this self heating [img]http://www.coast2coast.co.uk/ubb/confused.gif[/img] casserole is ready in just twelve minutes. www.wayfarer.co.uk
Nimrod
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 05:23 PM

My God, how some people live.

The most exotic thing I have cooked is hedgehog wrapped in clay and cooked in the fire embers.

When cooked you bang the clay on a stone to break it and the skin with prickles come off clean. Tastes a bit like rabbit.

Thought that I would try cooking cat once, but I left the tail outside the clay and it stunk like hell.
Posted by: K

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 17/01/07 08:15 PM

Eewww....
Posted by: Albionman

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 19/01/07 11:32 AM

Thanks for all your feedback.

I'll report back here when the service is launched properly in a couple of months time.
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 19/01/07 03:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nimrod:
Found this in February's Country Walking:
Wayfarer's Chicken Casserole 5. Quote:There's nothing like a hot lunch on the hill to warm you up,and this self heating [img]http://www.coast2coast.co.uk/ubb/confused.gif[/img] casserole is ready in just twelve minutes. www.wayfarer.co.uk
Nimrod



Not being too technical I was wondering how the casserole self heats. Is it done by pulling a tab out and two acids mix?
Posted by: Albionman

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 19/01/07 03:51 PM

This is the correct link:
http://www.westlerfoods.com/wayfayrer/index.php

Seems to involve adding water and provoking a magnesium based reaction.
Posted by: Nimrod

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 20/01/07 12:46 AM

So we don't have to lug a microwave oven around with us.........
Nimrod
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 20/01/07 06:35 AM

Looks like a dog's dinner, or worse, in the bowl and why does it have "Limited Edition" on the packet ?
Posted by: Slogger

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 20/01/07 06:17 PM

A Mars Bar, a Snickers Bar, a Banana, 2 Chorley Cakes, a Fruit tart or a Chocolate Muffin, 2 X 500ml energy drinks. That lot will keep me gonig at a brisk pace all day eating and drinking on the move for a good 20 to 25 miles over the tops. Its best to always leave a little room in the stomach and never walk on a FULL stomach.
Dave.

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Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 21/01/07 12:53 PM

I've heard that the best option is to just take the biggest water melon you can find in the greengrocers, and then that's both your food and your drink catered for. Has anyone any experience of doing this ?
Posted by: Nimrod

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 21/01/07 02:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lounge Lizard:
Looks like a dog's dinner, or worse, in the bowl and why does it have "Limited Edition" on the packet ?


Agreed,LL - I think I'll stick to my Jerky and nuts etc. I'd just thought I'd mention it,though.
Nimrod
Posted by: Gregg

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 21/01/07 09:59 PM

Yes, LL, watermelon is great for the day. But it was in Cambodia many years ago, 40 to be exact. I wanted to take a look around Angkor Wat so rented a bicycle for two days (its a large place). Since there was no water (or food) on site, I bought a large watermelon each day strapped to my bike. Worked great supplemented by water buffalo jerky. I wouldn't want to carry it on my back though.
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 23/01/07 07:25 PM

Gregg, when we were young we did things that would be considered stupid, or not advisable by todays standards. In my teens I used to go off for days into the countryside without food, water or money. When I was thirsty I drank from a stream or pond: when hungry I would dig up a root, steal an apple, or eat ears of corn: when I got tired I got a lift. I have slept in barns and haystacks in what I stood up in. Got soaked to the skin and freezing cold. Guess what...I am still here and feeling perky.
Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 23/01/07 10:04 PM

Oldun, and I've munched on a turnip walking across a field, and that was only last October !
Posted by: Oldun

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 24/01/07 08:08 AM

I new it was getting bad in the UK. You poor thing.

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Posted by: Lounge Lizard

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 24/01/07 09:18 PM

Yes, Oldun, I don't mind the occasional raw turnip, but I've never resorted to a MuckDonalds.
Posted by: madame cholet

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 30/01/07 12:28 PM

Dear Forum, I felt compelled to share with you the wonderful picnic food that I enjoyed today. I am currently in India and asked the hotel to prepare a pic nic for a jaunt to a beach and was sent off with 'missi roti' which are savoury pancakes/rotis of chickpea flour, chillis, spices and corriander, a few pickles and rissoles made with spinach, rice dumplings with spicey coconut sambal and nuts.

It was a most deserving place to savour it.....

Greetings from India!
Hare Om!
Madame Cholet
Posted by: Dr.BingoBongo

Re: Packed Lunches - feedback appreciated - 30/01/07 02:41 PM

Goodness Madame....what an exotic creature you are !
It reminds me of early breakfasts in Gangotri where a feast of paratha, pickles and chai fortifies one for a day of high altitude adventure.
England has a long way to go before ridding itself of unimaginative,prepackaged, mediocre snack food that so many guzzle with indiscernable acceptance....including me.

Bing
Captain Organic


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