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#1042 - 29/07/06 01:22 AM Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
wet coast wanderer Offline
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Registered: 04/11/05
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Loc: Victoria, Canada
When I look at the schedules for trains from Manchester to St. Bees, the turn around time at the stations on route seems to be very short. Is there enough time to transfer trains when unfamiliar with the station layout?

I am looking at Virgin's details that say that the train arrives in Bolton at 12:18 and departs at 12:24 for Carlisle.

Any advice would be most welcome.

Thanks.

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#1043 - 29/07/06 06:33 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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wcw. Six minutes will be fine for changing at Bolton if your incoming train is on time.

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#1044 - 29/07/06 07:53 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Your in coming trian will be 16 mins late, I am afraid.

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#1045 - 29/07/06 04:08 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Registered: 04/08/05
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Loc: Gabriola Island,BC,Canada
We walked the C2C last month and used a number of trains before and after and found a few minutes to be lots of time.

But in larger stations, beware of last minute platform changes. Seems to be a game that bored station personnel play.

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#1046 - 29/07/06 04:15 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Registered: 16/02/04
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Loc: UK
Six minutes is ample time.It will allow you to harass station staff,visit the WC,purchase a cup of tepid brown liquid called coffe,consume a grease burger and have a fight with a hoodie.

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#1047 - 29/07/06 06:42 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Checking the timetable it's clear that your train is a through train from Manchester Piccadilly (depart 11.58) to Carlisle. It stops at Bolton but you do not change trains. So no problem.

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#1048 - 29/07/06 07:46 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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wet coast w. Please confirm the train times as in my timetable book the one arriving in Bolton at 12.18 appears to be from Manchester Victoria.
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norman. Yes, the eternal pessimist can always be confident that any connecting train will just be missed.
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Gulf Island. Beware platform changes at large stations, yes, but Bolton isn't that big.
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Black Sailor. If requesting times from Manchester Airport to Carlisle it will automatically assume a preference for changing at Bolton, with about four platforms, rather than Manchester Picadilly, with about fourteen.

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#1049 - 30/07/06 08:14 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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There are no trains from MAN airport to Victoria. If you are starting there you should take one of the frequent trains to Piccadilly and catch the 11.58 direct to Carlisle (platform 14). If you are starting from Manchester city centre you should take the same train from Piccadilly. Do not go anywhere near Manchester Victoria station!

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#1050 - 30/07/06 11:14 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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BS. I am well aware trains don't run from Manchester Airport to Manchester Victoria and was NOT suggesting that one should go via Manchester Victoria for this journey, but, with wcw saying they would arrive in Bolton at 12.18 and my timetable suggesting the arrival at 12.18 is from Victoria, was just asking WCW to confirm their intended times.

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#1051 - 05/08/06 01:15 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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We will be starting from the city, so the info regarding Picadilly station is helpful. Thanks for all the comments. I'm glad to hear that if we do have to change trains in Bolton six minutes should be ample time. Thanks again.

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#1052 - 05/08/06 08:00 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Quote:
Originally posted by wet coast wanderer:
I'm glad to hear that if we do have to change trains in Bolton six minutes should be ample time.


Oh no it won't! UK trains simply aren't that good at running on time.

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#1053 - 11/08/06 10:21 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Black Sailor. At least you are a bit more positive than norman walker who we might expect to suggest that if the plane crashed over the Atlantic then there wouldn't be any worry about a train being late ! ! !

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#1054 - 11/08/06 11:45 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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It looks like you have to use two or three train companies to get from Manchester to St. Bees and which companies may change depending on if you make or miss a connection. Does that mean it is not practical to buy all your tickets at Picadilly?
Thanks.

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#1055 - 12/08/06 08:27 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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No Gordita - although there are many train companies, the ticketing is centralised, and apart from special deals, which we need not worry about here, tickets are valid with all train companies. So you buy a through ticket from where you start your journey to where it ends, irrespective of how many changes there may be.

So the normal procedure when travelling from Manchester Airport to St Bees would be to buy a ticket for he entire journey at Manchester Airport.

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#1056 - 13/08/06 06:54 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Registered: 13/08/06
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Loc: Friday Harbor, WA 98250
When we planned this trip in 2001 (and had to cancel due to the hoof and mouth outbreak) we were told on the message board that it was cheaper for four people to take a cab from Manchester to St. Bees than to take the train. Anybody that can confirm or refute that rumor?
Thanks.

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#1057 - 14/08/06 03:01 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Registered: 30/06/05
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Loc: Arlington, Virginia, USA
It sometimes seems that the major goal of the trip for American walkers is to get from Manchester to St Bees for the minimum price possible.
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Pack out your own trash.

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#1058 - 14/08/06 07:56 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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rory, yes, I've thought the same, and am firmly of the opinion that travelling by train is by far the best way of seeing the countryside as well as being more relaxing and safer than travelling by road, so why should it matter if it costs a bit more than a shared taxi especially as the difference in cost will be insignificant when added to the air fare, accomodation etc. - and this comment is despite me earning my living by driving taxis - and if anyone argues that an ocean liner is a better way of crossing the Atlantic than a jet plane, yes it is, but the time factor might be significant for some and the difference in cost much greater.

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#1059 - 14/08/06 05:21 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Registered: 04/08/06
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Loc: Friday Harbor, WA USA
After being up for 24 hours straight and preparing to take a 190 mile walk the goal is to get to a bed and take a nap as quickly as possible if the cost isn't prohibitive. Traveling when you are too tired to see straight is rarely a great experience. As for speed we are taking 20 days to do this walk. By our standards Wainwright as a speed demon. This message board is a lot crabbier than I remember it being a few years ago.

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#1060 - 18/08/06 07:10 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Time to apologize for my own crabby response. I really didn't mean to shut down the discussion. I guess getting razzed is just part of the culture of this message board. I'll try to develop a thicker skin. Thick skinned feet will probably help me on the walk as well.

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#1061 - 18/08/06 07:45 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Loc: Stafford
Gordita. No apology needed. Everyone has their own preferences for travelling and my comments were based on my enjoyable, relaxing train journeys to St Bees, very different from the one time I went by road, the bendy, undulating A roads west of the M6 seeming never ending.

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#1062 - 19/08/06 05:52 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
peregrina Offline
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Registered: 13/08/06
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Loc: Friday Harbor, WA 98250
Lounge Lizard,
The best traveling on wheels I have ever done has been with my nose pressed to the windows of a bus or train. Peru and Ecuador my favorites. But when the four of us arrive in Manchester we will have been up 24 hours, exhausted and ready to begin a 190 mile walk. It will be Sunday and no train will leave Manchester for hours. Just doesn't seem like the day for a wonderful train adventure. I hope to do that at the end of the walk. I'm still perplexed as to how many places on this site I have tried to get info of how to get to Manchester on a Sunday without taking an additional 12 hours. Surely someone out there has some info. But somehow the way I ask the question seems to insult rather than invite help. I'll look for you on the train from Scarborough. And I will enjoy every minute of the ride, I promise you that.
Peregrina aka Gordita

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#1063 - 19/08/06 07:06 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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peregrina. Sunday mornings have always been the worst time of the week for travelling by train in Britain with many routes closed. Evidently Manchester Airport to St Bees is partually bad on forthcoming Sundays and I would suggest that the journey can't be made by train. Putting the details into the National Rail web-site it suggests that you can do the journey in 11 hours 22 minutes by leaving Manchester Airport at 19.45, changing at Bolton, changing again at Barrow ( arriving 22.31, departing 05.57 ) and arriving in St Bees at 07.07 - a journey of little use to you as you wouldn't want to wait about in Manchester until the evening and spend half the night on Barrow-in-Furness station. I would be delighted if somebody could prove me wrong and find suitable trains for you, but I doubt they will.

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#1064 - 19/08/06 07:19 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Loc: Stafford
peregrina.
There is though a decent Sunday morning service from Manchester Airport to Penrith, regular trains, changing once or twice, journey times of two to three hours, e.g. Man Apt depart 09.15, Bolton arrive 09.45, depart 09.52, Penrith arrive 11.20. Penrith is about 49 miles from St Bees, so a taxi would cost about 70.
Alternately a taxi for the whole 137 or so miles from the Airport to St Bees would probably be about 200.

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#1065 - 20/08/06 04:32 AM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
peregrina Offline
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Registered: 13/08/06
Posts: 4
Loc: Friday Harbor, WA 98250
Thanks Lounge Lizard,
That is very helpful information.
If you every decide to visit my small island an hour and a half off the west coast of the U.S. I will do my best to help you find a way to get here.
Peregrina

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#1066 - 20/08/06 12:15 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
Howie Offline
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Registered: 15/07/05
Posts: 70
Loc: Cumbria
An alternative would be to get off at Carlisle instead of Penrith and catch a train from Carlisle to Whitehaven which I think there are three of a Sunday, then get a taxi from Whitehaven to St Bees which should cost about 6 or 7, there are no passenger trains that go to St Bees of a Sunday. You would have to check the train times from Carlisle to Whitehaven to see if they would be suitable for you.

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#1067 - 20/08/06 06:30 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
Lounge Lizard Offline
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Registered: 07/05/06
Posts: 2013
Loc: Stafford
Howie,
Yes, that's another possibility.
Changing once to Carlisle there's Manchester Airport depart 09.15, Bolton arrive 09.45 depart 09.52, Carlisle arrive 11.39. There are later departures from Manchester Airport but these probably involve changing twice. The first Sunday train from Carlisle for Whitehaven leaves at 14.45 arriving at 16.08. There is no taxi rank at Whitehaven but taxis can be booked on ;
Whiteline 01946 66111,
RTS 01946 694455,
KLM 01946 66007.

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#1068 - 20/08/06 08:53 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Loc: Cumbria
Lounge Lizard
There are usually taxis waiting outside Whitehaven train station for each arriving train, if not there are usually taxis waiting outside the Bus station which is about 200 yards from the train station.

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#1069 - 20/08/06 09:59 PM Re: Train changes on the journey from Manchester to St. Bees
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Registered: 07/05/06
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Loc: Stafford
Howie. Yes, the fact that there isn't an offical taxi rank, which is what the National Rail web site says, doesn't mean that the local taxi firms don't have the sense to meet incoming trains at Whitehaven. There may well have been taxis waiting when I last arrived there but I didn't notice them, my thoughts being, firstly, that I had travelled halfway across the country through beautiful scenary only to be confronted on leaving the train by a massive carbuncle of a Tescos the same as they now build everywhere and, secondly, that it's an October lunchtime, persisting it down with rain and I've got quite a few miles to walk to Black Sail, hopefully before it gets too dark.

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