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#42735 - 15/11/07 05:57 PM Land's End to John O'Groats *****
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I did this walk two years ago and was wondering if anyone is gearing up for it next year. My route took me through central Cornwall & Devon; The Cotswold Way; Heart of England Way; part of the Penine Way; through Lancashire; over the border at Gretna Green & up westwards through central Scotland to pick up the WHW; Great Glen Way (part of); East coast to Wick & finally JOG.

If anyone wants any info, I would be pleased to reply. Would like to hear of other's experiences.

Sparnel

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#42736 - 16/11/07 11:39 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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How long did it take and at what kind of pace? What were the high and low points? Alan

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#42737 - 17/11/07 06:59 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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Hi Alan - the walk took me 69 days which included 5 'rest' days where I did no walking. I can't say I had any real low point; I felt the walk through Cornwall was taking me forever. It's a big long county and coupled with Devon, I was going eastwards for what I thought was ages.

Throughout the walk I felt on a high; I was mentally prepared for this expedition. For the two & a half months it took me I was totally focused on doing it. I was a little sad when I finished at JOG! It was particularly good to have a friend and then my brother walk with me for a few days.
Trust this answers your question.

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#42738 - 17/11/07 07:01 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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Just noticed I didn't reply about the pace. I averaged 16 miles per day. I do not walk fast and rested up wnever the opportunity arose. It's difficult to get on the road much before 9am when staying at B&B's. I used these a lot. I'm not a fast walker - and definitely not a speed man!
I enjoyed stopping & looking a lot too.

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#42739 - 18/11/07 09:58 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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Hi sparnel,what time of year did you do the lejog? Did you time it to miss the dreaded midges in Scotland? Would it be best to walk north to south then you could miss the midges by starting in late spring and get the early summer weather in England as you progress southwards?.....one day
Robin.H.

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#42740 - 18/11/07 12:37 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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Hello Robin,

I live in Scotland. I often think there's too much made of the Scottish Midge - it's not as bad as it's made out to be, and if you are walking, literally on the move, it won't be too much of a problem.
I started the walk early April (the 4th) and walked south to north. I wanted to feel the sun on my back and also wanted to feel I was heading 'homewards'.

The most extreme weather I encountered was one of the Monday Bank holidays in May. I had camped near Lichfield; temp was nearly 30 degrees during the day and then came a massive thunder storm that night with torrential rain! Survived ok but made the following day a rest day in Lichfield.

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#42741 - 19/11/07 08:00 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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I have it in my mind to do Lands End to John O Groats, but I'm sorting of planning to do it starting in April 2009. This is because I have not yet done walking and camping and so I want to check out how I get on with that first (so probably planning something relatively easy with a tent like the Dales Way in 2008). Plus I need that long to plan how to get 2 to 3 months off work!

I was sort of inspired by the Cicerone End to End Book - which takes a route similarish to yours except it cuts across the Severn and goes up the Offas Dyke Trail. I guess there's probably a number of different ways.

I think if I do get to do it, you 69 days and 16 miles a day sounds about right to me. And I like the idea of rest days as and when needed.

Incidentally, the Cicerone book recommends doing the End to End trail starting from the South in April - because that means avoiding the midges as best as possible, and also potentially means that you are fitter for the bit at the top when there is no alternative but camping.

Its a hell of an idea - hope I get to do it.

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#42742 - 19/11/07 09:58 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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Bliss 60,

Read this account of the walk:-
http://www.ukendtoend.com./

I found it really informative, I am tempted having walked the SWCP this year. If I do then I'll walk it South to North via the SWCP, Offa's Dyke, Pennnine Way then I am not sure which way after that.

I hope that you do walk it, I met a guy who was walking it and as preparation he went off for a week with a full pack, including tent etc, and walked 20 miles a day to see how he felt. The only thing you need to do in preparation is to make sure that some of it is "undulating". Although I have never used walking poles I would for a walk of this distance, my knees were knackered after the SWCP.

Good luck, keep us up-to-date with preparations.
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#42743 - 19/11/07 07:02 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats
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Hi Bliss & Others,

All comments noted. As I've said on this forum at another time, you need to be prepared mentally to undertake a walk of this magnitude. I built up to this by making it the most important event I was going to do at that time; I told friends/relatives that I would not be returning for weddings, funerals (within reason), celebrations, etc, and that this walk was my priority! Be serious from the initial planning stage on this. Thereafter, I don't think you need to 'start' getting into training. If you walk regularly then treat it as a continuation of a 'normal' long distance walk, but just keep going!

I hope you can follow me on this. It changed my life dramatically - made me a more confident person; altered my outlook on life and made me realise there are more things to life than work, eat & sleep!

Go ahead, get ready for it!

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#47185 - 24/05/09 08:42 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: sparnel]
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It's my dream to do this walk, I would love to link up as many footpaths as possible, especially the pennine way as i really enjoyed it.

Unfortunately i can't get the time off work to do it, My walking partner and i have seriously considered giving up our jobs (it means that much) just so we can do the walk, but during these testing times that just wouldn't be sensible.

I have sat down and worked out approx how much it would cost to do (B&Bs, meals etc.) but can anyone who has done the walk please tell me what their budget was?

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#47187 - 24/05/09 09:22 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: smay]
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I also look forward to an answer from someone who has completed the walk recently. I am guessing at 25/30 per night single B&B, 15 for youth hostels, 6 for camping (unless wild camping,then 0). Food/drink - you decide! Getting to and from Land's End and John O'Groats. Guidebooks, maps - get from local library and get them posted to you as you go along. Average daily cost say 40 over 10 weeks will be in the region of 2,800! Camping all the way I guess will cut this figure in half, even less if wild camping all the wya. I await a more realistic figure especially if it is lower!
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#47651 - 14/06/09 03:36 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Harland]
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There's a good cost breakdown on Mark Moxon's site.
www.landsendjohnogroats.info
lots of great info as well

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#47653 - 14/06/09 05:05 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: canmal]
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Originally Posted By: canmal
There's a good cost breakdown on Mark Moxon's site.
www.landsendjohnogroats.info
lots of great info as well


Yes for anyone considering walking LEJOG then it is a very good read. His costs in 2003 when he walked for 70 days and had 19 rest days were:-

"By the end of my walk I'd spent 1742 on accommodation and 1178 on meals, giving a total spend of 2920. That's an average of just under 33 per day throughout my 89-day walk. If I had camped throughout then I could have cut the accommodation budget to under 500 (or even less if I'd gone wild camping), but that would have been an entirely different experience."
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#47657 - 14/06/09 08:30 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Harland]
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After plenty of days on the hoof, most people get fitter. They can do more miles per day and can carry more weight.
That's my own experience.
There might be some sense in starting easy, going B&B @25 plus pub meals etc, which with beer can run up a huge daily bill.
After a while, you could increase your daily hours and therefore your mileage, or you could go for lightweight camping. The latter, with economic eating, could cut your costs dramatically, and that's what I've now started doing.
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#47658 - 14/06/09 10:14 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Stottie]
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Re-reading through this thread, I remembered that I'm planning to do this walk!! In fact I originally planned to do it starting April 2009. Didn't happen because there are other (good) things going on in my life that mean I can't up sticks just at the moment. But still planning to do this walk - when those other things have happened.

My thinking was that I would plan to camp by and large on the walk - wild camping where possible - and only B&B it when the weather's really bad. Otherwise I think costs would be prohibitive.

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#48718 - 18/07/09 05:55 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Harland]
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Originally Posted By: Harland
[quote=canmal] His costs in 2003 when he walked for 70 days and had 19 rest days were:-

"By the end of my walk I'd spent 1742 on accommodation


As Mark Moxon commented, you can of course spend a lot less on accommodation.
My LE to JoG was two years later in 2005 taking a total period of 75 days. I combined 'wild' camping, campgrounds, B&B's, and YHA's.
My total accommodation costs came to 662 pounds, which is less than half that of Mark's.
This included a B&B stay at Land's End the night before launching, a two day stay at a B&B after arriving at JoG and an enforced extended stay of 4 days (awaiting arrival of maps) at the Edinburgh YHA.
After deducting what you would normally spend on food even if you were at home, then food costs also don't look so daunting - though it is admittedly difficult to curb your appetite when you enter a town with its Alladin's Caves of pubs and cafes! wink
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#49323 - 01/08/09 02:08 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: smay]
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did it in 45 days,

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#49325 - 01/08/09 05:09 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: m/ark]
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Originally Posted By: m/ark
did it in 45 days,


Wow, what a guy! Is that a record?

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#49360 - 02/08/09 04:10 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Gregg]
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Hey M/ark, you spent too much time admiring the view mate.
Kevin Carr finished on July 12th.
LE to JoG off road route, 1254 miles in 42 days 17hrs.
Backpack. No ground support. 3 rest days.
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#49370 - 02/08/09 11:54 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Geo]
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but I did it carring 30kg.

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#49371 - 02/08/09 11:55 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: m/ark]
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I did rest up for a couple of days.

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#49422 - 02/08/09 10:39 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: m/ark]
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Originally Posted By: m/ark
but I did it carring 30kg.


30kg!!!
You were lucky. we had to do it with 145kg, carrying a cardboard box because we were too poor to have a pack, and with bare feet because we couldn't afford boots, and pulling a Centurian tank that had broken down on manoeuvres and asked for a tow.
(ok, I lied about the tank) wink
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#49424 - 02/08/09 10:47 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Geo]
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that is amazing, so you cheated using a cardboard box, I carried my kit in a tesco carrier bag and used flip flops to walk it in, the 30kg was just my packed lunch, I actualy carried 146 kg on my head, I had no sleep and walked backwards with one eye shut and only had a pair of shorts and so I did not have to stop I put on pampers.

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#49451 - 03/08/09 06:31 AM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: m/ark]
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Originally Posted By: m/ark
the 30kg was just my packed lunch, I actualy carried 146 kg on my head, I had no sleep and walked backwards with one eye shut and only had a pair of shorts and so I did not have to stop I put on pampers.


Packed lunch!!!
You were lucky. We had to eat grass and worms and when in the highlands we had to hunt down haggis and kill them with our bare hands. We couldn't afford pampers, and had to wrap ourselves in dock leaves padded out with bracken. Actually the 145kg I carried didn't include the 40kg relief parcel that I was also carrying for underprivileged Brits who were living in the swamps that we had to snorkel through using reeds that we cut from the banks.
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#50298 - 19/08/09 01:09 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Geo]
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Although he is walking it the other way round i.e. John O'Groats to Land's End I have come across a web site for a guy who is walking it at the moment having set off on 14th July. As he says "I'm going for a walk, and I may be some time!"
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#50299 - 19/08/09 01:10 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Harland]
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Sorry, forgot the web address:-

http://www.steveslongwalk.org/index.html
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#54019 - 24/02/10 05:11 PM Re: Land's End to John O'Groats [Re: Harland]
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People planning LEJOG after 2010 may have been thinking of using the Pennine Bridleway which is a trail due for completion in 2010 (the southern section is already open) it would have given a well surfaced off road path 350 miles up England finishing 5 miles short of the Scottish border. However Natural England are now saying IF rather than WHEN it will be completed. All of the planning and survey work has been done and permissions sought but funding and enthusiasm seem to have dried up simultainiously.
Google Pennine Bridleway to see a map of a fantastic resourse that it looks like we will never get.
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