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#46188 - 08/04/09 05:07 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Adnan]
Robbie Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 151
Loc: Cheshire, UK
Buy the Cicerone "Map & Compass" book by Pete Hawkins and then try using this knowledge out on the fells. Even with clear, sunny days, some parts of the Way would require basic compass skills (thats all I really have). Commonsense also goes along way. You could always buy one of the new GPS bits of kit that show Ordnance Survey maps to 1:25000.

#46194 - 08/04/09 07:59 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Adnan]
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Registered: 12/06/05
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Loc: West Lancs.
The problem is you dont have a lot of time and the art of navigation takes time out there in the hills getting experience. You can read all the books and have all the instruction, but it is learnt through making mistakes and learning from them. It is about compass work and not merely reading a map but understanding the map and attention to the smallest detail, and how to get back on track when you have wandered off route. The best navigators make mistakes all the time, however the art of it is to be able to recognise (in all conditions) as soon as possible when an error has occured so that getting back on route in the shortest possible doesnt become a major epic.

#46200 - 08/04/09 10:38 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Slogger]
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Registered: 31/01/07
Posts: 317
Loc: byrness village
A dutch couple were trying to walk down from Kirk Yetholm to Byrness last year not only with no compass but NO MAP or guide book luckily for then a guy was walking in the opposite direction and had a map and 2 guide books he loaned them one and wrote his address in the front so that they could send it back to him. They were still shaken when they got to Byrness and almost called it a day, they were surprised that navigation skills and maps were needed they thought there would be markers every couple of hundred yards. (they did continue and made it to the end)
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#46206 - 09/04/09 01:45 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: joyce taylor]
Janice & Rottie Offline
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Registered: 30/06/05
Posts: 516
Loc: Coniston, Cumbria, UK
You don't have to have excellent navigational skills but you do need commonsense, especially when things aren't going to plan ie. you realise you are not on the right path or the mist is coming down. I hold my hand up and say I couldn't take a compass bearing. So I rely on my map to tell me which way I should be going and the compass to point me in the general direction (ie. I need to be heading Northwest. Before each day's walk I study the map and look for critical features to confirm I am on the right path, and also escape routes if necessary.

If I were you, I would purchase a good compass from a walking shop and ask if they know of anyone who would be willing to teach you, other than that, simply get a book on the topic and practice.
Janice & Harlie(dog)

#46210 - 09/04/09 02:16 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Janice & Rottie]
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Registered: 29/04/05
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Loc: North Yorkshire
I suggest that whatever navigational skills you manage to aquire then you should also take the Trailblazer guide to the Pennine Way written by Edward de la Billiere and Keith Carter. The guide has 1:20,000 trail maps (3 1/8" to the mile) which should keep you on the right path. However if you go off the path you will be in trouble if you don't have a map and some understanding of how to read it.

By the way Edward de la Billiere is the son of General Sir Peter Edgar de la Cour de la Billière, KCB, KBE, DSO, MC & Bar. Sir Peter was the Commanding Officer of 22nd SAS where he managed the UK's problems in Northern Ireland, the Iranian Embassy Siege and the Falklands War. His son Edward was on TV a few years ago when he undertook and completed the 1,150 mile Iditarod Trail Race dog sled race in Alaska.
Pennine Way 2005&2014; C2C 2006; SWCP 2007; WHW 2008; GGW 2008; Dales Way 2011; Clev.W 2012; Yorkshire W.W. 2012; Offa's Dyke 2013; Peddars Way & Norfolk Coast Path 2014; Pembrokeshire Coast Path 2015: LEJoG in stages 2018: Camino 5/2019.

#46211 - 09/04/09 03:09 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Harland]
Nick Mac Offline
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Registered: 27/07/06
Posts: 118
Loc: Cleckheaton
Try this for size, there are a few things they can send you.

#46253 - 12/04/09 12:20 AM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Adnan]
Night Owl Offline
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Registered: 14/01/09
Posts: 10
Dont despair its a learning curve (lernin kurv)! If you start with a compass and a map of where you live you can figure out how to read one and navigate more easily than if you have a map of elsewhere. Thats how I got my bearings and learnt the basics of it. Also I'm sure the Ordnance Survey people will be most helpful if you look on their website or e-mail them. wink

#46267 - 12/04/09 10:30 PM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Night Owl]
tonyk Offline
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Registered: 16/02/04
Posts: 1033
Loc: UK
Navigation isn't really a problem as more than 120 miles of the route is paved.In fact I would go as far as saying its one of the easiest routes to navigate these days.The only difficult bits are Cross Fell in mist and the section from Lamberley to Greenhead which is very confusing even for those who are familiar with the terrain.

Best advice I can give you is to have a crack at it and see how you get on.Ten days might be a bit too ambitous to start with and I agree with Slogger that 16 days might be a far more realistic target.Biggest problem is your feet getting bashed up on the paving so make sure you have decent footwear that absorbs the shock of the ocnstant pounding.

#70715 - 02/09/12 12:25 AM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: tonyk]
Adnan Offline
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Registered: 07/04/09
Posts: 15
Hello again. I am back after 3 years. I think i am more prepared this time and i would love to do PW next year sometime. I did the Hadrians Wall last weekend in one go. I was on my feet for 30 hours and the actual running/walking time was 25 hours. My legs were ok. only got bad back and shoulders off running with heavy backpack on (35 litre) and burning feet with blisters because i had road running shoes on and did 2/3 of the route with wet shoes on. I have learnt from this experience and it has boosted my confidence. i am going to attempt the C2C over 2 days and finally the PW in 5 days. That's my future plans. Love to hear from people who actually did it in 5-7 days.

#70724 - 03/09/12 12:07 AM Re: Want to do PW, haf no map skills, Can i Join u pls [Re: Adnan]
tonyk Offline
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Registered: 16/02/04
Posts: 1033
Loc: UK
Read Wild Trails to Far Horizons by Mike Cudahy.

Its mainly about his numerous attempts,and record breaking run, on the sub three day PW and coast to coast record attempt.

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