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#46360 - 20/04/09 12:43 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: Arial]
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Loc: Canberra, ACT, Australia
Hi all
Creek is used in the Netherlands and Australia (where it is the standard term for a small stream). The Shorter Oxford is not definite about the origin of the word giving both a middle english and middle dutch explanation. The Americans - where the term is not well entrenched - will have got it from the UK or the Netherlands just a they gained the word prairie from the French.
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#46361 - 20/04/09 12:57 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: MarkF]
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Arial

If it's any consolation I also got mixed up there going E-W. Luckily I had the waypoint but it was the only time I needed the GPS. The important thing is to turn right after the ruin and head towards about 2 o'clock. The path into the woods is not clear until you get close. Once in the woods it is straight forward.

Just after you come out of the woods if you turn right in front of the sewer works you can get on an old rail track - now a walk/cycleway which leads into Richmond via Station bridge - an easier route if you're staying in that part of town.

Geof

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#46363 - 20/04/09 03:11 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: Arial]
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We all get lost from time to time... though I'd rather be trying my hand at little-used field footpaths than finding my way through a pile of essays! Top marks to you for that. As I say last time I took the road through Brompton-on-Swale so I couldn't say for sure, but I would imagine there will be stiles (or gates or stile and gate) at either end of the wood to comply with the RoW. If I could spare the time I would reccy this section as I will be feeling weary around here having come from Beacon Hill, stopping for brekkie at the A19 Services (and hopefully, Kiplin Hall for elevenses...) My schedule should land me in Richmond around 2pm - so (like yourself) I don't want to be getting lost!
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#46364 - 20/04/09 03:42 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: lightweightmick]
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Now as regards the previous info on MultiMap.
I copied and pasted the link I gave again... and it came up with around my way... so... (maybe the info is stored in my browser...)

search for multimap.com
under 'find a map' type in 'Richmond'
select N. Yorks one under 'Did you mean?'
I don't know why but sometimes it says 'basic maps' or 'interactive' but you should be able to switch between 'O/S map and 'aerial' views. You can scroll the rectangle in the box R/H bottom corner and zoom in and out.
It looks as though there are shrubs/bushes that may obscure the stile you've missed before. The line of the path follows the countour of the field and drops away st. into the wood still in a straight line from the 'corner' of the ruin where you leave the main path. Geof's 2 o'clock looks about right.
good luck, cheers
lwm
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#46366 - 20/04/09 05:04 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: MarkF]
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Originally Posted By: MarkF
Hi all
Creek is used in the Netherlands and Australia (where it is the standard term for a small stream). The Shorter Oxford is not definite about the origin of the word giving both a middle english and middle dutch explanation. The Americans - where the term is not well entrenched - will have got it from the UK or the Netherlands just a they gained the word prairie from the French.

Thank you for that interesting etymology. The American regional term "creek" is a natural body of running water. It is smaller than a river or a stream, and sometimes called a brook or brooklet, a rill, or rivulet. It may be a seasonal runoff and run dry in the "arroyos" in the arid American west.

It is also termed a run or streamlet, to be distinguished from a waterway, canal, millrace, millstream, or race, which are mainly man-made drainages.
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#46393 - 21/04/09 06:57 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: Arial]
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i would

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#46403 - 22/04/09 06:25 AM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: rjb1978]
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rjb? What would you?
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#46748 - 10/05/09 07:49 PM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: Arial]
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Just got back from an E-W crossing. You approach this section of the walk by descending diagonally through a field- at the bottom you go through a gate/stile and turn left up a farm track. Shortly, as the track starts to veer right you will see a thin path across the grass entering the trees to your right- not signed, but it does lead into the woods and down to the sewage works. You will know you are on the right path because you will pass the military sign mentioned in the Stedman book . We never got to or saw Hag Farm and a couple walking the same way that did go by the farm ended up on the wrong route and with a long road section. Incidentally straight after the Sewage Works you can get on the dismantled railway line- this avoids the A6136 and comes out at the Old Station. From there you bear left and in a few yards are back on the "official" route. This is so much better than walking along the busy road!
Good luck !

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#46763 - 11/05/09 03:32 AM Re: Richmond E2W [Re: ian r]
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I have cut and pasted your message into my copy of Hannon.

Thank you!

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