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#48521 - 13/07/09 08:55 PM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: m/ark]
Oldun Offline
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Registered: 01/12/04
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Loc: Renens, Vaud, Switzerland
Originally Posted By: m/ark
So by what you are saying I should vote tory?


Look at the policies, look at the candidates, look at where the current administration is taking us and where the next administration could take us, then make your own choice.

Through the ages millions of people have fought and died to give you the freedom you now have of self expression and self determination.

Use your vote wisely to ensure that that right of freedom is still available for our future generations.

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#48546 - 13/07/09 11:41 PM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Oldun]
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but you said there was only two choices, so if I dont vote for labour I have to vote for cons, policy is not worth the paper it is writen on, what hapened to the referendom on the EU, I can asure you we do not live in a democracy, voting is somthing people are allowed to do as it gives them a sence of decision making and they think it makes a differance, it is a waste of time, because the main partys have the monopoly, I think we are made to belive a democracy exists but I know it does not, it is a fony one, we are controled by certain people who hold all the power. how can the house of lords be democratic, please. MPs get off scot free for fraud, and mandelson has come back from the dead more times than wizard of oz was shown on tv at xmas. you canot make it up, thats why I will vote for none of the main partys as they are all for one and none for all.

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#48547 - 13/07/09 11:47 PM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: m/ark]
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yes I bet all them dead soilders if they could see the state of this country would not be happy they died for a society that is so selfish and corupt.

this goverment has betrayed them all.

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#48555 - 14/07/09 06:36 AM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Oldun]
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Registered: 02/05/07
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Loc: Birmingham
Originally Posted By: Oldun
For the stability of the country, at the present time, there is only a choice between the two major players. If one clearly believes that one has had its day and needs to recuperate, then there is only one other choice left.


Whichever party gets elected - there are tough times ahead. The question is who will do the most to try and soften the blows for most people. My view is that at heart the Conservative Party stands for the wealthy in our society and they will look after those people. Labour will do what they can to make life as bearable as possible for everyone.

Whoever gets elected, it'd probably be better if they don't get elected by much of a majority - in fact a hung parliament might be a good thing. Some Lib Dems have something to offer - Vince Cable's assessment of the economic situation is probably far more astute than anyone else at the moment and he'd make a good chancellor. I have not heard the Conservative Party say anything sensible yet about the economic situation or how they intend to do anything about it. They are relying on people like Oldun to vote for anyone other than the people in power.

As for the BNP - it is a sad symptom of how bad things are that anyone can suggest them as anything other than the distasteful nazis that they are without right minded people opposing them. People - bear in mind that this is how Hitler came to power.

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#48557 - 14/07/09 07:36 AM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Bliss 60]
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It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.

If democracy worked, they'd abolish it.

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#48563 - 14/07/09 09:17 AM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Bliss 60]
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[quote=Bliss 60][quote=Oldun]
Whichever party gets elected - there are tough times ahead. The question is who will do the most to try and soften the blows for most people.

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#48564 - 14/07/09 09:22 AM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Oldun]
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Which ever party gets in will have to organise the repayment of the National debit that has now risen to staggering proportions.

Last time the Conservatives got in some 30 years ago, they were saddled with the same sort of debit left by that Labour government. But they put the country back on its feet again: and became hated for what they had to do.

Do you think for one moment that there is a magic fairy out there that will just wave a wand and the national debit will disappear?

Socialist policies squander money by increasing none productive bureaucracy in order to shield their elected officials from responsibility for their actions, or inaction.

They have squandered the wealth of the country left to them by the Conservatives by over the top bureaucracy and rank bad mismanagement of the national resources.

They have relied upon “spin” to fool the public and the new young generation of voters (who have known nothing in their lives but having their arses wiped for them at every turn) into believing that the Socialist Party (as they have now developed it), is the only party that is on the side of the now non-existent “working class”.

Don’t believe all you are spun about the national debit and the economic crisis being the fault of an International crisis. Yes, there is an international crisis, but how is it that most of the other countries have managed to survive with out the crushing national debit of the UK?

Which ever party gets in next time will have to streamline their departments, as there are no nationalised industries left in UK to close down (as happened last time).

A vast percentage of our manufacturing is done abroad: which means that we pay our money to other countries for things we don’t produce.

Would it be a radical idea to assume that in order to save money the UK brings industry back into the country so that the created wealth is circulated in house?

At one time not so long ago, Britain was the powerhouse of Europe.

Under successive Labour governments we lost it.

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#48572 - 14/07/09 12:06 PM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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Registered: 07/05/06
Posts: 2013
Loc: Stafford
Originally Posted By: Lounge Lizard
Going back a few years, here's a good one, Arthur Scargill explaining how the miners losing their 1984 strike was everyone's fault but his ;
http://spailpin1903.blogspot.com/2009/03/we-could-surrender-or-stand-and-fight.html


Oldun, With your political views how can you let an article by Arthur Scargill pass by withoout comment ?

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#48579 - 14/07/09 12:29 PM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: Lounge Lizard]
tim smith Offline
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Registered: 28/10/06
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Loc: england
oldun
i agree with a lot you say,
but "at one time not so long ago , Britain was the power house of Europe" yes , but is it now a better green and pleasent land with out all that smog.
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#48586 - 14/07/09 01:45 PM Re: Politics---B/B [Re: tim smith]
m/ark Offline
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As for the BNP - it is a sad symptom of how bad things are that anyone can suggest them as anything other than the distasteful nazis that they are without right minded people opposing them. People - bear in mind that this is how Hitler came to power.----------------------------------------------------------------------

how can you make this claim about the BNP, they have not cheated us out of taxes, they do not fund organisations that go around attacking people just because they have a political view, Nazi is a strong statement and unjustified, the reason Hitler came to power was because his own countrymen were being treated like second class citzens, so if the goverment stoped using political corectness and letting are country turn in to a geto with third world imigration then yes the BNP would not get many votes, but they are not nazis and if you bother to take the time to read their polcys instead of the lies labour con lib, tell you backed by the BBC and other media organisations you would find common sence. people dont like what this country is turning into, the blood of their ancesters was spilt for this country, but outsiders apear to have more rights. can you not see what is happening, we are being forced in to a EU superstate, and to make sure it happens they are importing millions of immigrants so they dilute any loyaly and destoy are britishness, there are millions who have no conection with britain other than a pasport, I wonder how many would flee in the event of a world war?

most british people are sick to death of the state of this country and the police state that is developing, and all because they do not trust its nationals, or shall I say new arrivals, so why should they have to get a national ID card, just because they let terrerists in to the uk who want to kill.

remeber quarantine for dogs, in those days mesures would have been taken to provent N1H1 swine flue, to they take no mesures and even if you have aids you are welcome here to spread it about, maybe I sound right wing, but I talk common sence.

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