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#48801 - 19/07/09 06:45 PM Non Stop Again.
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I am planning another attempt at the Dales Way non stop, starting tommorrow morning (Monday 20th July) around 9am. This will be my 5th attempt at non stop, however the first time I walked the route was over 8 days with my wife. Of the 5 attempts 3 were successful and 2 failures at 40 miles and 65 miles.
You have to be on your metal to succeed in these as any underlying problems comes to the fore with a vengence by 30 miles and inevatably leeds to failure.
I still have the 5 day C2C attempt in my head and have recently proved that I can manage over 30 miles a day on multi day trips carrying a wild camping pack, so I going to see how I go with this once more. I am going for shear distance and speed, so I will go as lightweight as possible wearing my Merrell Exotech adventure racing shoes. Here goes!
Dave.

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#48804 - 19/07/09 08:02 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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Good luck. The weather looks to be OK for tomorrow and Tuesday morning and not too hot either. With the rain "up North" lately it could be a bit "damp" underfoot!
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#48810 - 19/07/09 10:28 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Harland]
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Cheers for that and yes a good point, Ive decided to go with boots instead.
Dave.

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#48874 - 21/07/09 07:58 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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Well thats the third failure on this route! I was going strong up to 10 miles, then MY underlying condition came to fore. This hip/groin strain that has dogged me for 18 months although never really affected my walking, did so this time. Perhaps because I was striding away more than of recent and stretching the muscles that bit further. Anyway both upper inner thighs began giving me grief and soon my legs had tightened up to the point they only feel light towards the end of the route.
On top of this both heels blistered at about the same time. I had experimented by placing Compeed on beforehand. This worked well on the other areas of my feet but not on the heels. I drew the conclusion from this that reason I always seem to get deep seatd blisters there if down to pressure rather than friction. The faster one walks the heavier the heel strike - the more the pressure. The weight didnt help. I tried to go as light as possible but still ended up with 17lbs with water, food etc. During my recent multi day trips wild camping in the Lake District I have carried 30lbs worn the same boots and socks, covering over 30 miles per day and never has a blister. The only difference was walking at a steady 2.5 mph compared to 3.5 mph on this non stopper.
I ended up walking into the river, filling mt boots with water to try and ease the discomfort. Unfortunatly this proved futile and late in the day I realised that if I carried on, by the time I got to Bowness after 84 miles the blisters would have spread right round and underneath my heels as had happened before. I wasnt prepared to let that happen especially as that would also have meant slowing down too much and being far outside my intended time. There would be no point in that as I have had faster times on the route before.
Fter 43 miles and 13.5 hours averaging a little under 3.2 mph including stops, I endeded up walking up to the Station Inn at Ribblehead at 11.05 pm and asking for accomodation. I had been fearful of refusal at that late hour, but they couldnt have been more helpful and fixed me up. This could signal the end of my longer non stoppers, my wife in the meanwhile is less than convinced claiming that I say that everytime!
Dave.

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#48875 - 21/07/09 08:18 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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.hard luck Dave
better luck next time caus ethere will be a next time
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#48878 - 21/07/09 09:17 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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I expect that you will want to do it again as you will forget how bad it was but as you have nothing to prove on the Dales Way you could just decide to walk something else and set yourself a new best time.
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#48960 - 23/07/09 03:44 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Harland]
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Having just re read articles on the Long Distance Walkers site about deep heel blisters including a comment I made about the use of Lanolin, I think my recent heel problems are due to the shaped footbeds I have been using. I will now be looking for good cushioned yet supprtive FLAT footbeds. Problem is the better footbeds ALL seem to be shaped. Any one know of any flat ones?
Dave.

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#48961 - 23/07/09 03:46 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Harland]
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Having just re read articles on the Long Distance Walkers site about deep heel blisters including a comment I made about the use of Lanolin, I think my recent heel problems are due to the shaped footbeds I have been using. I will now be looking for good cushioned yet supprtive FLAT footbeds. Problem is the better footbeds ALL seem to be shaped. Any one know of any flat ones?
http://www.ldwa.org.uk/forum/show_topic.php?tpc=63&dir=S
Dave.

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#48963 - 23/07/09 04:14 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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Commiserations on the blisters and the disappointment.
I've never been able to fathom why, once in a while, I get blisters under the heel.
Same boots, same footbeds, same type of sock - usually OK, no reason to expect a problem, then out of nowhere I know there's a blister forming.
Your point about the pace of walking sounds like a good one. My problems have always arisen on warm, dry days when I've been doing higher mileages than normal, but probably aiming to finish at the same time. Thanks for that enlightenment: the blindingly obvious isn't obvious until someone points it out!
As for the flat footbeds, I'll take a look at the article and might be tempted to try them, but I start from a sceptical position.
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#48964 - 23/07/09 04:21 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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Blimey, Dave, those LDWA members are like economists - ask 100 of them for a solution and you get 100 different answers.

For what it's worth, several years ago I had a pair of Sorbothane insoles that were dead flat, and tho' I've favoured the shaped variety for a long time now I wonder if the "flatties" might be worth a shot...if indeed they are still produced.

For me, the Sorbothanes are the answer to knee trouble, hence my preference. I might just go shopping tomorrow...
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#48991 - 24/07/09 07:50 AM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Stottie]
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Slogger. Bad luck, but it only serves as a reminder that none of us are getting any younger these days. Try to be positive and don't forget that when you are confined to an old folks home you will be one of the very few there with proper memories of the great outdoors, that's if your mind isn't also going by then.

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#48993 - 24/07/09 08:23 AM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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LL,
Yes you are right of course, but I firmly believe that we should keep pushing at the limits, otherwise as we get older the faster we become limited.
Stottie,
I was using and have been using full lengh Sorbathane footbeds, which do the business on the longer trips and prevent bruising, their downside is their weight and the fact that they are shaped at the heel. I am going to try and MODIFY them. I am also going to go back to Lanolin, which has only let me down once before when wearing newish walking shoes.
Dave.

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#49009 - 24/07/09 01:02 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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LL,
Yes you are right of course, but I firmly believe that we should keep pushing at the limits, otherwise as we get older the faster we become limited.
Stottie,
I was using and have been using full lengh Sorbathane footbeds, which do the business on the longer trips and prevent bruising, their downside is their weight and the fact that they are shaped at the heel. I am going to try and MODIFY them. I am also going to go back to Lanolin, which has only let me down once before when wearing newish walking shoes.
Dave.

Yes, on Wednesday, three weeks from leaving hospital after suffering a stroke and not being able to walk for a while, I was pleased to be able to do a ten mile local walk without any difficulty. Gone now are my day walks of thirty or forty miles but that doesn't matter so long as I can get out and do a few miles. Those hospital patients with zimmer frames or in wheelchairs were a sobering sight.

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#49013 - 24/07/09 02:30 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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LL,
Sorry to leanrn that. As we do get older and gradually find that the extreme things we once did with ease, we start to find more difficult and much harder work to keep up the same standard. It must be hard to take to suffer an illness that results in a quick cessation of being able to do what in your heart you still wants to do. I suppose there comes a time when the body simply cant keep up with the determination, but at least you and I and other like minded ones who have forced ourselves through the barriers of normal limitations and experienced that something extra, can rest assured that we really did get the maximum out of ourselves and that in itself has to be really satifying.
Good luck.
Dave.

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#49017 - 24/07/09 04:11 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Slogger]
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Originally Posted By: Slogger
LL,
Sorry to leanrn that. As we do get older and gradually find that the extreme things we once did with ease, we start to find more difficult and much harder work to keep up the same standard. It must be hard to take to suffer an illness that results in a quick cessation of being able to do what in your heart you still wants to do. I suppose there comes a time when the body simply cant keep up with the determination, but at least you and I and other like minded ones who have forced ourselves through the barriers of normal limitations and experienced that something extra, can rest assured that we really did get the maximum out of ourselves and that in itself has to be really satifying.
Good luck.
Dave.

Thanks. I had a strange sort of acceptance of my fate when I was struck down, then an incredible improvement over two days such that I wrongly thought I might be fully recovered after a week. Progress then was much, much slower and now, nearly four weeks on, I think that I might have progressed nearly as much as I can. Looking back I feel as if the stroke has aged me by several years, but i wasn't in bad shape for my age and even now am probably fitter than many of my contempories. Being off work for a while has made me realise what utter crap is on the TV all day long, and that I must have had a better life than all those moronic couch potatoes sat infront of the box all their waking hours - I literally would rather watch the grass grow.

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#49101 - 26/07/09 03:35 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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DAVE.
sorry to read abt your non stopper & yes there will be another time I`m sure, until something physically stops you, because it`s obvious your not a quitter.
(posted an email to you for advice abt Inov8 shoes. did you get it?).

L.L.
Its having those memories that keep bringing us back to the hills and not making us coach potatoes. Some of those know no better. Friends say to me "Did you aught to be doing that at your tme of life?". You like me couldn`t sit & watch the grass grow.We know what they are missing.
Also mate, have you thought, because your so fit it has aidded your recovery. Some of those potatoes wouldn`t have made it.

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#49102 - 26/07/09 03:42 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: MIKE M]
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DAVE.
sorry to read abt your non stopper & yes there will be another time I`m sure, until something physically stops you, because it`s obvious your not a quitter.
(posted an email to you for advice abt Inov8 shoes. did you get it?).

L.L.
Its having those memories that keep bringing us back to the hills and not making us coach potatoes. Some of those know no better. Friends say to me "Did you aught to be doing that at your tme of life?". You like me couldn`t sit & watch the grass grow.We know what they are missing.
Also mate, have you thought, because your so fit it has aidded your recovery. Some of those potatoes wouldn`t have made it.

Mike,
I think you're right, the happy memories can't keep you away, and "at your age" there's a risk but so too there's a risk with sitting at home all day long - after all life's one long risk.
And though I hadn't really thought of it I don't doubt that someone who's normally active can get active again much more easily than a couch potato.

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#49132 - 26/07/09 11:10 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: Stottie]
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Ah... sorry I missed this Dave.
This sounds very much like my forefoot trouble. I got some flat gel insoles from a shop in Cleveley - if I remember they were from the shoe shop opposite B&M Bargains but this was a few years back now - not sure if the shop is still there... (is/was called 'ShoeFayre' we think...)
Internet search gives: Head Office Leicester 0116-278 5264
I'm assuming you've got a good stride and your problems are caused on contact and the foot rolling fwd. Mine, I think, are caused on push off... Long strides for me tend to aggravate my big toe joint (as it flexes more) and I've noticed that a shorter stride seems to help. Trouble is with problems like this they only seem to show up when you're 'going for it' and it seems hard to duplicate in training.
17m/m pace is about same as my last C2C attempt and will certainly highlight any problems.
(Just found those insoles - they're just slightly deeper at the heel end but not contoured - 'AirPlus' - blue gel)
Don't know whether this will be of any help...
It's really annoying and frustrating when this happens esp. when we can'r seem to get a handle on the cause,
good luck mate,
lwm
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#49133 - 26/07/09 11:12 PM Re: Non Stop Again. [Re: lightweightmick]
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- should read Cleveleys btw... up your neck of the woods!
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