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#51242 - 25/09/09 04:31 PM
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hello done the c2c, whw, offas dyke, next the pennine way but due to time restrictions, will have to do it in two visits, first half in spring and 2nd half later on, but I keep thinking this is like cheating, not doing the walk in one go, what do you think?
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#51243 - 25/09/09 04:37 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Yes, it is cheating, not a proper challenge, and you might live to regret it, but if time restrictions give you no alternative then that must be better than staying at home with your feet up in front of the TV.
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#51244 - 25/09/09 04:48 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: Lounge Lizard]
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Far rather do it in 2 goes and enjoy it rather than rushing it making yourself ill and not seeing anything on the way up.
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#51246 - 25/09/09 08:07 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Frank, It's not cheating.Do what you want to do when you want to or can do it.For some people walking anywhere or even standing up is a challenge. You have nothing to prove. How dare some say its cheating. Don,t even ask the question.
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#51247 - 25/09/09 08:17 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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starting in 1963, I've done it in single visits (each way) and I've done it in three visits in successive years. Each time has provided a unique and enjoyable experience. All were satisfying, because in each case I did what I set out to do. Once I failed. That was a big disappointment, because I was over halfway when I suffered an injury. I've come across more people doing it in bits than end-to-end. Loads of people use a little bit of the PW as part of a circular day-walk. Split it how you like: maybe walk north to Tan Hill one year and south to Tan Hill the next; perhaps start at Tan Hill each time. Make it your trip, and be proud of it. Cheating? Who gives a damn?
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#51262 - 26/09/09 02:19 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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I'm thinking of doing the Pennine Way next year, but like you say frank. It's a lot in a fortnight to do, so I'll probably do in 2 parts.
No, I don't think it's cheating. people have done the Pennine Way in bits over a period of time, the main object is to enjoy the walk.
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#51276 - 27/09/09 04:55 AM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Frank, It's not cheating.Do what you want to do when you want to or can do it.For some people walking anywhere or even standing up is a challenge. You have nothing to prove. How dare some say its cheating. Don,t even ask the question. 'Cheating' is perhaps a somewhat harsh word for Frank to suggest, but I found it more satisfying walking the Offas Dyke path in one go than the Coast to Coast in three. The travelling backwards and forwards certainly does detract from it.
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#51296 - 27/09/09 04:58 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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many thanks for your replies, you may be correct lounge lizzard, cheating maybe was the wrong word to use, but I think you all know what I mean, completing a LDW in two or more visits is the sense of achievement still the same? I am not sure. I have completed many LDW here and in the himalayas all in one go, you know its not easy, but the challenge is there. we have all seen people who route march the LDW, hell bent on getting from A to B as fast as possible, missing so much,why? for some walkers it appears to be an ego thing or a race I will walk the pennine way next year in two visits, enjoy it, I am 65 now, and hope when I complete the pennine way and pin my souvenier in my scrapbook, and in years to come look back and still be proud I did the pennine way, even if it was not in one go.
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#51303 - 27/09/09 07:07 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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"we have all seen people who route march the LDW, hell bent on getting from A to B as fast as possible, missing so much,why?" Some of us only have four weeks holidays a year, and other interests too, so no time to hang about.
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#51342 - 28/09/09 07:12 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: frank]
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What has given you the idea that anything but walking the PW in one stretch is "cheating?". There are no rules to doing the way other than perhaps, you start at Edale and finish at Kirk Yetholme having walked between the two points. From my experience the vast majority of walkers break it down into smaller sections, often over three separate weeks or 2x10 day sections. I feel that I have walked it just as much as the single stretch walker, especially as in many of the sections I had to retrace my steps, either to the car or back to public transport.
Do it at your own pace and enjoy the experience.
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#51348 - 28/09/09 09:28 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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"you start at Edale and finish at Kirk Yetholme" - and it could of course be argued that it's equally acceptable to start at Kirk Yetholme and finish at Edale, unless you know of a rule that says otherwise.
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#51350 - 28/09/09 10:06 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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I apologise for this grave oversight. I shall slink into a corner and admonish myself .... or better ... I shall seek out any existing double ......
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#51359 - 29/09/09 02:03 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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I think a lot depends on what you want from the walk. If you want a walking holiday with a big challenge then doing it in one go will meet that expectation. If you simply want a walking holiday then it doesn't matter how long you take to do it...you will still have done the PW. Whether you walk one day or a week, you can also still end up with a challange on your hands depending on the conditions.
I have done it once, many years ago, in one go (12-13 days)before all the paving was put down. Then again completing it last year when I simply walked every other weekend throughout the summer. I enjoyed them both.
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#51368 - 30/09/09 04:35 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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It is a generalisation but when chatting to Pennine wayers the ones who are doing it in 17+ days talk more about seeing interesting birds, reptiles,land formations etc. could be that they are seeing more or maybe the slower walkers walk less often so seeing an eagle or an adder is more of a novelty for them so they are still buzzing when they get to us.While the walkers `doing it in 12 days or thereabouts just want to eat and get to bed. Both valid both enjoying it in their own way.
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#51369 - 30/09/09 04:38 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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The Countryside Commission undertake a biannual survey of national trail users. This involves interviewers standing at hotspots along each trail and surveying everyone that passes, regardless of whether they are doing the full trail or not. This means that dog walkers, picnickers, solitude seeking romantic couples etc are included as well as people doing the whole trail either in one go or as part of a series of walks. Experience as part of this survey shows that people walking at different speeds see different things. To take the PW as merely an example, slower walkers tend to visit "off site" attractions, especially at the end of the day. (Faster walkers tend to establish a base at the end of the day and remain there be it a camp or pub). This is in no way intended as a criticism of either group, but both do it their own way and should get their enjoyment as they see fit. There is no right or wrong way to undertake any walk. I remember one (faster) walker telling me that he "could spare me a couple of minutes" to answer the questions. He actually told me that he "stopped looking at the views many years ago". On the other hand a slow pair replied "what waterfall" when standing alongside High Force!!!!
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#51374 - 30/09/09 08:19 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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The Countryside Commission undertake a biannual survey of national trail users. This involves interviewers standing at hotspots along each trail and surveying everyone that passes, regardless of whether they are doing the full trail or not. This means that dog walkers, picnickers, solitude seeking romantic couples etc are included as well as people doing the whole trail either in one go or as part of a series of walks. Experience as part of this survey shows that people walking at different speeds see different things. To take the PW as merely an example, slower walkers tend to visit "off site" attractions, especially at the end of the day. (Faster walkers tend to establish a base at the end of the day and remain there be it a camp or pub). This is in no way intended as a criticism of either group, but both do it their own way and should get their enjoyment as they see fit. There is no right or wrong way to undertake any walk. I remember one (faster) walker telling me that he "could spare me a couple of minutes" to answer the questions. He actually told me that he "stopped looking at the views many years ago". On the other hand a slow pair replied "what waterfall" when standing alongside High Force!!!! Some very valid comments that were well worth slinking out of the corner to make !
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#51378 - 30/09/09 09:21 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: Lounge Lizard]
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............ but I have now returned to continue my penance.....
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#51388 - 01/10/09 02:25 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: frank]
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well in my opionion, the pennine way is a 268 mile walk... if you do it in 2 visits, you doing 2 smaller walks. if you run 13 miles this year, then 13 miles next year... you wouldnt tell people you did a 26 mile marathon would ya lol mind you, i also think people who B&B it are cheats so ignore me  however you do it, just do it at a comfortable pace and enjoy it 
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#51392 - 01/10/09 05:11 PM
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Ah .... a slight difference here because a marathon is a particular race run under a set of specific rules. By definition a marathon is a 26 mile run (Sorry Lounge Lizard .... 26 mile 385 yard run) ... so two thirteen mile runs could not be called a marathon, even if one of the two sections was 13 miles 385 yards. However, the National Trails are not governed by any such regulations. So, if you decided, due to the weather, to walk up the Dun Fell access road rather than via Knock Fell you have still completed the Pennine Way.
I was one of the original founders of the Wolds Way (my picture is in Dave Rubenstein's book, so avoid this at all costs). There was never any thought during its formulation of a time schedule and the CC (or whatever it was called then) refused to define any target time for covering it.
Go for it at your own pace ... above all, enjoy the experience!
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#51424 - 02/10/09 02:59 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Good point Slogger.. i love the wildlife too, i read alot of walk diaries where they set off between 9-10am... such a shame, they must miss loads. for this reason camping is much better for me, up with the sunrise... quick porridge breakfast and off 
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#51434 - 02/10/09 08:46 PM
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Very true, best time of the day. I remember a few years back leaving Cockermouth about 4 or 5am, at Whitehaven in time for breakfast, then back in the midlands for lunch.
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#51435 - 02/10/09 08:51 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Sounds like everyone on here is having a great time, lucky for you all. So are you not having much luck at present ?
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#51438 - 02/10/09 11:56 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Fast or slow, camping or not, isn't it down to your own personal agenda and not any unwritten rules? I met a couple in their late 50's in the Stag at Dufton who had covered every mile there and back most weekends this year and were hoping to complete before the end of the year. There and back meaning park the car walk the route and then turn around and walk back to the car. When they get to Scotland they are gonna meet friends and family and celebrate. They will have completed the Pennine Way twice in one year, both ways. Hats off to em I say!
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#51464 - 04/10/09 08:24 AM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Ah .... a slight difference here because a marathon is a particular race run under a set of specific rules. By definition a marathon is a 26 mile run (Sorry Lounge Lizard .... 26 mile 385 yard run) ... so two thirteen mile runs could not be called a marathon, even if one of the two sections was 13 miles 385 yards. However, the National Trails are not governed by any such regulations. So, if you decided, due to the weather, to walk up the Dun Fell access road rather than via Knock Fell you have still completed the Pennine Way.
I was one of the original founders of the Wolds Way (my picture is in Dave Rubenstein's book, so avoid this at all costs). There was never any thought during its formulation of a time schedule and the CC (or whatever it was called then) refused to define any target time for covering it.
Go for it at your own pace ... above all, enjoy the experience! The standard distance for the marathon race was set by the International Amateur Athletic Federation (IAAF) in May 1921 at a distance of 42.195 kilometres (26 miles 385 yards). Rule 240 of their Competition Rules specifies the metric version of this distance. Slowcoach. I can't get used to this metric nonsence so 26 miles 385 yards is near enough for me.
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#51467 - 04/10/09 08:43 AM
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Fast or slow, camping or not, isn't it down to your own personal agenda and not any unwritten rules? I met a couple in their late 50's in the Stag at Dufton who had covered every mile there and back most weekends this year and were hoping to complete before the end of the year. There and back meaning park the car walk the route and then turn around and walk back to the car. When they get to Scotland they are gonna meet friends and family and celebrate. They will have completed the Pennine Way twice in one year, both ways. Hats off to em I say! All that motoring backwards and forwards for just short distances walked would negate the relaxation and pleasure of the walk for me but if that's their way of doing the walk so be it.
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#51489 - 04/10/09 08:00 PM
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[Re: Lounge Lizard]
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Must have been a nightmare in the Cheviots. I did look at doing this but found the logistics impossible given accessibility by non 4x4 vehicles is strictly limited.
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#51498 - 05/10/09 04:10 PM
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Must have been a nightmare in the Cheviots. I did look at doing this but found the logistics impossible given accessibility by non 4x4 vehicles is strictly limited. .. and accessibility by 4x4 vehicles should be strictly limited too.
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#51561 - 09/10/09 07:38 PM
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Yea should be, but i noticed alot of Quad bike tracks all over the Way... mosty by farmers i know, but they are chewing up the route quite badly
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#51576 - 10/10/09 09:49 AM
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Yea should be, but i noticed alot of Quad bike tracks all over the Way... mosty by farmers i know, but they are chewing up the route quite badly Yes, we never had this problem when farmers just had a horse and cart before all these government subsidies enabled them to buy all the latest four wheeled gadgetry.
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#51579 - 10/10/09 11:09 AM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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A horse and cart would be very interesting on the gradients at Usswayford and other farms in the Cheviots.
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#51580 - 10/10/09 11:54 AM
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A horse and cart would be very interesting on the gradients at Usswayford and other farms in the Cheviots. Very true, but farmers managed well enough for centuries up there without quad bikes, so they don't really need them now.
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#51583 - 10/10/09 04:16 PM
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Animal husbandry has changed over the centuries and while previously a small flock provided an income this is no longer the case and to expect a farmer to keep a watch on a modern sized flock in very difficuilt terrain on foot is unrealistic (and not good for the sheep as they are quite silly animals and often get themselves into scrapes)
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#51596 - 11/10/09 11:25 AM
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they are quite silly animals and often get themselves into scrapes) Speaking of sheep, does anyone know if there eyesight is bad? reason i ask is because when im walking they seem to see or hear you... stand there looking in your direction, then suddenly seem shocked when you get within 20 feet? its like they can hear you first, then when they see you.... OMG its a Human.... run for your lives!!!
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#51599 - 11/10/09 02:30 PM
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But they can sense a cheese buttie at 50m!
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#51603 - 11/10/09 07:49 PM
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i wonder how many of you have seen the ruts caused by a horse and cart
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#51604 - 11/10/09 07:51 PM
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or heard the expression naff deep , but then again the word naff does not mean the same to-day
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#51605 - 11/10/09 08:00 PM
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Naff it was slang name for the hub of a cart wheel [maybe Yorkshire slang]
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#51613 - 12/10/09 08:46 AM
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i wonder how many of you have seen the ruts caused by a horse and cart Yes, but only when the cart has been overloaded or there's been heavier than usual rainfall.
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#51614 - 12/10/09 08:52 AM
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Naff it was slang name for the hub of a cart wheel [maybe Yorkshire slang] Well, that's in Yorkshire, but elsewhere a dictionary has it down as ; Naff British slang, today meaning uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless... or as a softer expletive, in places where one might use "f=ck" as in "naff off", "naff all", "naffing about". Origins of the word are disputed, but it appears to have come from Polari (gay slang), used to dismissively refer to heterosexual people. It was introduced as a less offensive expletive verb ("naff off") in the '70s UK television show, Porridge. "Naff off!" was famously used by Princess Anne in 1982. Naff something uncool. original meaning: "not available for f=cking"
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#51617 - 12/10/09 10:29 AM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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naff .... slang for a hub or cart wheel.... not in the Broad Acres I'm afraid.
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#51618 - 12/10/09 10:47 AM
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Heavier than usual rainfall. Hmmm let me think....yepp that about sums up the bulk of the last 3 years. Short of a helicopter I don`t think it would have made a jot of difference which transport the farmers used the result would have been the same. (except maybe a boat)
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#51624 - 12/10/09 02:15 PM
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Heavier than usual rainfall. Hmmm let me think....yepp that about sums up the bulk of the last 3 years. Short of a helicopter I don`t think it would have made a jot of difference which transport the farmers used the result would have been the same. (except maybe a boat) As a townie I'm not best placed to comment on such matters ( not that that usually stops me though ) but as you say "Animal husbandry has changed over the centuries and while previously a small flock provided an income this is no longer the case and to expect a farmer to keep a watch on a modern sized flock in very difficuilt terrain on foot is unrealistic (and not good for the sheep as they are quite silly animals and often get themselves into scrapes)". I blame supermarkets driving down margins for farmers and making them take on such large flocks.
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#51625 - 12/10/09 04:04 PM
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Up here it is not so much large flock as large area because the soil in mountains and hills is shallow and often poor the sheep need a greater expanse to graze on.
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#51626 - 12/10/09 05:02 PM
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Up here it is not so much large flock as large area because the soil in mountains and hills is shallow and often poor the sheep need a greater expanse to graze on. Very well explained. Thanks. I often think, well not that often, what a valuable contribution sheep make to the British diet and how fortunate it is that most of us are carnivores, or omnivores, as those vast upland areas are practically useless for the cultivation of vegetarian foodstuffs.
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#51634 - 12/10/09 09:48 PM
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Unless you're called Joss Naylor who rounds up every sheep in Cumbria, every day
Before breakfast
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#51642 - 13/10/09 09:48 AM
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There is a flock of feral goats also grazing in the Cheviots near Uswayford farm. A fella staying here earlier in the year told me that ussi or something like it is swiss for goat.
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#51647 - 13/10/09 08:51 PM
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A couple of weeks ago I stayed for two nights at Wasdale Youth Hostel. On the second day I parked in the parking area to east of Greendale. I then walked up Seatallan, across to Haycock and on to Caw Fell. Whilst on Caw Fell I met a ranger who suggested that I could return by a different route .... down Blengdale (which I admit I had never heard of until then). I dropped down by Hanging Stone and picked up the blind bridleway. Just before the sheepfold I met the local shepherd driving his sheep in the opposite direction. During our conversation he mentioned that Joss still frequently helps him out ... his speciality evidently is searching for lost sheep. He tells Joss where he thinks they might be .... and off he goes! People like that never actually fully retire!!!!
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#51692 - 16/10/09 08:55 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: Slogger]
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Did I read somewhere that he had had problems with one or both of his knees which required a fairly serious operation? If true, he is all the more remarkable!
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#51712 - 18/10/09 12:17 AM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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they are quite silly animals and often get themselves into scrapes) Speaking of sheep, does anyone know if there eyesight is bad? reason i ask is because when im walking they seem to see or hear you... stand there looking in your direction, then suddenly seem shocked when you get within 20 feet? its like they can hear you first, then when they see you.... OMG its a Human.... run for your lives!!! So funny that Red Devil! Something that puzzled me too. Also why do they all charge down the path in front to avoid you getting larger in numbers by the minute when all they have to do is turn left or right and not head in the direction you are walking? I witnessed a farmer rounding up his sheep in the Cheviots on his quad bike, his dogs worked hundreds of yards from where he was covering a vast area. Within 15 minutes they had covered this huge area and all the sheep were under control. He needed a quad bike to keep up with how efficient the dogs were. Great to watch for an urban lad like myself.
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#51748 - 19/10/09 06:27 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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Talking about quad bikes, I saw a FOX HUNT between Bellingham and Byrness last month. One guy was tooting his bugle, dressed in red on horseback, while his compatriates were on quad bikes, with at least 30 hounds pursuing the fox! Pick up trucks were on the surrounding roads, probably look-outs for the old Bill. I thought it was all illegal, but I saw an elderly couple, who informed me it was Sir Michael and it was his land & he could do whatever he wanted to do on it 
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#51778 - 20/10/09 04:33 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
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or heard the expression naff deep , but then again the word naff does not mean the same to-day think i have got it sorted Nave ,A.S.nafu,Dutch ,naaf.g.nabs.iceland, nof. the central block of wheel in which the axle and spokes are inserted, the hub.
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#51784 - 20/10/09 08:03 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: tim smith]
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So, all we need now is, in next weeks pub quiz, ...........
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#51845 - 25/10/09 07:25 PM
Re: pennine way in two visits
[Re: slowcoach]
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Oh Dear .... another apology is due.
Last night, whilst reading "The Yorkshire Dictionary of Dialect, Tradition and Folklore" by Arnold Kellett (essential bedtime reading for insomniacs) I stumbled across this entry on page 121 ..... Naff .... hub or nave of a wheel (Old English Nafa)
Problem solved?
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