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#52298 - 19/11/09 06:06 PM mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms
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Me and my wife are in mid 50s, and plan for C2c next year in the second half of September .
I browsed certain amount of related information, read several books, but still have a few questions.
1. Prefer to hike with my legs and arms open, is it any problem with ticks, mosquitoes, etc?
2. Saw a photo with a person caught in mud, can this be avoided, or a feature of the trail. Also here, how many miles of trail you can walk on a paved road?
3. No mention about restrooms, what is an approach to this problem
Regards,

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#52299 - 19/11/09 07:07 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Bill Cowley would have loved this
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#52302 - 19/11/09 07:25 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Originally Posted By: C2C192m2010
Me and my wife are in mid 50s, and plan for C2c next year in the second half of September .
I browsed certain amount of related information, read several books, but still have a few questions.
1. Prefer to hike with my legs and arms open, is it any problem with ticks, mosquitoes, etc?
2. Saw a photo with a person caught in mud, can this be avoided, or a feature of the trail. Also here, how many miles of trail you can walk on a paved road?
3. No mention about restrooms, what is an approach to this problem
Regards,

Where do I start.... if you want to go in shorts and t-shirt, then do.
You may get aproblem with ticks around the places where there are sheep, take a look at this site you may find this helpful http://www.brecon-beacons.com/lyme-disease.htm
Mosquitoes - just use a repellent.
Mud, yes there is lots of it, it's part of the fun of being a walker, just watch where you are walking, you are likely to come across bogs anyway.
There is a bit of road walking, I suggest you get a copy of Henry Stedman's coast to coast, it has lots of details about the route.
Restrooms..... bushes, behind rocks. Never urinate near streams, and always bury your faeces, so you will need to take a trowel.
Oh yes just as a reminder, there are no litter bins up on the hills, you will need to take all rubbish down with you, no matter how biodegradable it is.

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#52303 - 19/11/09 07:43 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: HB]
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Unfortunately I did not read Bill's Cleveland way, that's why asking.
I have Coast to Coast with Wainwright, and Coast to Coast path by Henry Stedman.
Yes, my plan is to go in shorts and t-shirt, to dissipate as much heat as possible, paved road also about this, to switch to running shoes from hiking boots.
So you have Lyme, how active are ticks in September, may be a link with statistics available?
About restrooms, just asking. Say in Paris, a law still stands banning women from wearing trousers, better be educated in advance about urinating bushes in foreign country.


Thanks

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#52304 - 19/11/09 07:52 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Originally Posted By: C2C192m2010
Unfortunately I did not read Bill's Cleveland way, that's why asking.
I have Coast to Coast with Wainwright, and Coast to Coast path by Henry Stedman.
Yes, my plan is to go in shorts and t-shirt, to dissipate as much heat as possible, paved road also about this, to switch to running shoes from hiking boots.
So you have Lyme, how active are ticks in September, may be a link with statistics available?
About restrooms, just asking. Say in Paris, a law still stands banning women from wearing trousers, better be educated in advance about urinating bushes in foreign country.


Thanks

Are you walking or running??? It's not so hot on the c2c that you will need to dissipate heat, chances are it will be blooming cold and wet. I don't know much about ticks, that's why I put the link on here, you will need to google for the stats. I haven't heard of anyone being bothered with them on the c2c. I don't remember having a problem in Paris with wearing trousers.... I'm a woman!
Where do you live?

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#52305 - 19/11/09 08:02 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: HB]
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Well, I also think that you should not have any problem in Paris, but the law is there.

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#52306 - 19/11/09 08:16 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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There is a thread on ticks under the general section that you may find helpful to read

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#52308 - 19/11/09 08:38 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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yes, a lot of humor, I personally like discussion about removal tools.
My son contacted Lyme several years ago, so I know the details.
What i was not able to find is how frequent are they on C2C, and a percentage of those infected.
So, slowcoach, how many ticks you usually remove after a day walk?
I suspect, according to the forum discussion that none, is it correct?

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#52310 - 19/11/09 09:16 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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You'll probably find that hardly any of us has had tick problems, much less Lymes Disease. If you really want to you can walka lot of it on paved or gravel tracks. However, none of us really want to. As for 'rest rooms' most of us use the toilets in the village pubs, supplemented with the odd 'rest' behind a bush. For most of us that's ample. I had a bit of a bug on one day though, when I could have rested through the eye of a needle.

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#52312 - 19/11/09 09:33 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: SteveInLeicester]
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I frequently had to remove ticks from myself before I was issued with official guidelines. Fortunately none were in anyway harmful and, to be honest, I pulled them off (rather than out) with tweezers). The guidelines suggested that people who work in the countryside should cover up exposed skin by wearing long sleeved shirts and not wearing shorts. This I now do and have not seen once since. Dogs do tend to pick them up quickly.


The chances of contacting Lymes is small, but on the hills of the Lakes, the Dales and the Moors, the risk does exist. The rough figures are on the other post. As a percentage of walkers it is very very small.

Can I venture to ask what you generally do about "rest rooms" when you are out walking? Most of use never consider a need for them. Make sure you perform with your back to the wind and you're fine is the rule of thumb.

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#52313 - 19/11/09 09:37 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Say on trail with heavy foot traffic this can be considered as an exposure, and instead of B&B you can end up in jail

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#52314 - 19/11/09 09:57 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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There really is no problem. Just move a few metres off the path, dip into a hollow, behind a rock etc etc. Apart from a very few places where you are likely to encounter the massed hordes (Helvellyn et al) you are more likely to encounter quizzical sheep than other people.

It usually appears on the British walkers list of worries somewhere between being eaten by cannibals and being kidnapped by aliens (unless you are around Silpho after dark of course)

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#52315 - 19/11/09 10:14 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Thanks folks, really appreciate!

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#52316 - 19/11/09 10:42 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Personne n'a reconnait "le spoof"?
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#52324 - 19/11/09 11:51 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Stottie]
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"with my legs open",
"restrooms"
- 'le spoof' indeed

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#52325 - 19/11/09 11:55 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Can ticks kill you? Someone on "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" said thay can....in Oz!


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#52331 - 20/11/09 09:11 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Stottie]
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Originally Posted By: Stottie
Personne n'a reconnait "le spoof"?


Damn - I should have read this thread before posting on the "Driving Licence" one. (Hope the profanity police aren't monitoring this.)

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#52334 - 20/11/09 10:30 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Can't Mercado Travel & Tours help? Or the Girl scouts - they are only 300m due West of you...

Google maps is a wonderful thing...

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#52335 - 20/11/09 12:13 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: DodgeyKnee]
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Yes it's a troll - but you have to admit it's quite a good one.

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#52337 - 20/11/09 12:39 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Black Sailor]
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I think that this is a culture problem.
I received information, I asked for, so thanks a lot.
I have a related question, but afraid that it receives the same attitude.
My wife read that toilet paper in Europe just sucks and can not be used. So she plans to bring with her several roles. I can expect problems with customs, so my question:
Can one purchase good toilet paper at stops on C2C?

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#52338 - 20/11/09 03:18 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Is this an American invention? We generally don't use it in England. I did try it once but it was overrated. We find that its current design mean that when you turn it over to use the other side (fill in the punchline yourself)

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#52340 - 20/11/09 03:46 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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to DodgeyKnee:
Mercado Travel & Tours specializes on trips to Amazonia in Bolivia.
I suspect that density of WCs their similar to UK.
And I agree that Google maps is great, though I personally prefer Google Earth. Besides Girl scouts, you can also discover that Appalachian trail is less than 20 minutes away from my place.
I do some hiking about 100-150 miles per month, any season with "open legs" and shorts.
Just to test I made yesterday 10 miles in pants during the rain and 52 F and felt very uncomfortable

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#52343 - 20/11/09 04:21 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Ahh, the Appalachian Trail. Now that's something to aspire to..

I wish you well on your venture. I don't see you having any problems. It's just one long pub crawl compared to the AT.

With a bit of luck I will have meandered through in August with my Son. Also in shorts!

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#52344 - 20/11/09 04:31 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Anything is possible even picking up a Tick, however it very rarely happens in the UK, so I wouldnt be too concerned. I have been walking, mountaineering and Fell running for over 50 years and mostly wearing shorts. Running and walking through all sorts of ground including high heather, long grass and rescueing the odd lamb and sheep. I have never picked up a single Tick in all that time. I think the issue is greatly exagerated, and to pick one up you have tpo be extremely unlucky.
Dave.

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#52345 - 20/11/09 04:54 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Slogger]
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Agreed, the chances of picking up Lymes disease is very small, but the important factor is that the incidences of it are increasing significantly. In 2003 there were less than 200 cases, in 2008 there were 813 (as opposed to in America where last year there were just under 29000 cases). I never worry about it. It certainly doesn't affect my walking. A few years ago I gave it no thought as it was almost unheard of but nowadays I always check for ticks after a day on the hills. To be seriously affected (unless you are allergic to them) you have to ignore all the symptoms, which honestly, most people would never do. Caught early it causes minimal problems, left it can turn serious.

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#52346 - 20/11/09 05:22 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Originally Posted By: C2C192m2010
My wife read that toilet paper in Europe just sucks and can not be used.....Can one purchase good toilet paper at stops on C2C?

If you plan to suck toilet paper it tastes nicer if it is unused. Toilet paper, new or used (one careful owner) is widely available on the C2C.

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#52347 - 20/11/09 05:43 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Black Sailor]
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OK, I guess that ticks and toilet paper are completely covered.
Lots of good advices.
Returning to mud. I want to avoid it as much as possible.
Should I stay on higher elevations, or this does not matter.
Problem with mud, not about being dirty, but moving VERY slow.
Which parts of the trail are muddy?

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#52350 - 20/11/09 11:18 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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There is nowhere to purchase toilet paper on the c2c, so I would suggest you bring as many rolls as you can carry.

Maybe you can set up a business for those forlorn walkers searching for guidance.

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#52351 - 21/11/09 07:52 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Gregg]
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C2C192m2010, I'm a very caring patient and altruistic person but I find some of your questions a little basic.

Of course there is going to be mud, no there are not going to be restrooms and of course we have loo rolls. Which planet are you from? Are you sure you should be allowed out alone? Just read some of the books that you tell us that you have purchased, read other peoples account of their experiences on the c2c and you will get a good overview.

I don't mind giving advice and I love to read what others advise but I draw the line at silly questions..... mind you they have given me a laugh and most certainly some of the answers have too. Perhaps that's your ploy.... to cheer up the old blighties
HB

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#52352 - 21/11/09 09:17 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: HB]
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from the planet windup.

pay attention HB.

game of marbles anyone ( if they can be found )?

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#52356 - 21/11/09 01:54 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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Dear Members.

I am dead/dumb serious, and my only goal is to find information I need. And actually, thanks to your help, I changed my plans renting car to flying to Manchester.
Do I have a sense of humor, hopefully yes. I need to make SAFE and SCHEDULED hike, your amusement and my future scenic views along the trail are complimentary.
My only book, besides those I mentioned, which I read some time ago was Three Men in a Boat, and according to Wikipedia "The book was initially intended to be a serious travel guide, with accounts of local history along the route,"
Now about drawing the line...
Try to search (use advanced with newer than 1 year) "toilet",
and surprisingly the same members, who are laughing loud have the similar concerns and wishes:
"1003(a): A male toilet with a floor that doesn't look like the sewer is pumping the sh*t in rather than taking it out.
1003(b): Unblocked urinals."
"9. One final lesson, which I also mention in my blog and shall forthwith be known as HackPacker’s First Law of Fellwalking: No matter how remote your path is, no matter how far away from the marked footpath you venture, no matter how much cover you seek and no matter how carefully you check the horizon for any other walkers, when you need to go to the toilet you can guarantee that just as you have squatted down and reached the point of no return, two spritely walkers in their fifties – one usually a grey-haired woman carrying a trekking pole – will emerge from nowhere and walk straight past you. Absolutely guaranteed."
"The toilets are shut after closing time." etc
With 7000 per year and no facilities you do not need much imagination to see the same as Oldune:
"The best places are those nice green picnic areas where hopefully someone following will sit down to eat, only to find that they have sat next to elephant droppings."

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#52358 - 21/11/09 03:08 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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Do trolls play marbles, Ruth?

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#52363 - 21/11/09 11:58 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Black Sailor]
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Why doesn't someone just ban him ?..............simple isn't it?

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#52365 - 22/11/09 10:21 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: c2cer]
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string him up and horse whip him to within an inch of his life and then feed him to the dogs. that'll learn him.

btw c2cer which historical figure are you most empathetic towards : stalin , hitler , mussolini , salazar , franco , pinochet , peron , amin , pol pot , hussein , bush ?

or maybe the queen of hearts....off with his head!!

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#52369 - 22/11/09 02:52 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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So, what was wrong with dear old Atilla ... no mention of him in your list? Not far enough to the right maybe?

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#52372 - 22/11/09 05:17 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Worse still, no mention of Thatcher !

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#52373 - 22/11/09 05:36 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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it's a little known fact that all the dictators on my list were great walkers and wrote extensively on the subject. For example i'd refer you to the following books :

hitler - mein hike
stalin - one steppe after another
amin - putting the boot in
franco - the costa to costa walk
mussolini - the abyssinian way ( the easy route )
pol pot - red route through the killing fields
bush - meandering through eyerack ( using the back passage )
pinochet - walking all over allende

atilla was more of a piss artist and is in another category of historical figures.....blokes that lived a long time ago about which we know very little   

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#52374 - 22/11/09 05:43 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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Wasn't Hitler's first book about wild camping in the Black Forest ... Mein Kamp?

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#52375 - 22/11/09 05:55 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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mein kampf translates as 'my struggle' and is infact a diary of his early difficult and challenging walks around europe.

hitlers wild camping is still a matter of some debate amongst historians ; whilst he used a number of routes to achieve his ends and to tackle things on a number of fronts i don't think this alone can be cited as evidence of his camping tendancies.

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#52377 - 22/11/09 06:04 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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I wish I knowed as much as you. I was basing my idea on the graffito scratched on the summit of Dollywagon "Adolph was here 1942". A common misconception.

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#52378 - 22/11/09 06:27 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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Now this is a classic troll. (not my fault though)
To c2cer, I respect your opinion and this is my last post, so please cancel, or ban, or destroy my account, no objections.
To Ruth, you made a very strong point with your list.
Why people want to make c2c, because they want to see deforested hills, or flatland?
What is so special about that hike? 190 miles may be extremely boring journey.
I think that if you make it, you feel as you conquer the whole country, with your boots wet from both seas.
Returning the favor of original discussion. Please look at this link, it may be a possible solution:
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20090520/NEWS/905209993/1035/NONE&parentprofile=1062

Regards and good luck to ALL

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#52383 - 22/11/09 06:52 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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As I said on an earlier thread the Countryside Commission undertake a regular survey of national trails. Although this does not included the C to C the survey includes all trail users rather than trail walkers. At some survey points the CtoC crosses the PW and the CW so coast to coast walkers are surveyed. From chatting to people on these surveys there is a general difference as to why people choose to do the different trails. The PW is mostly often seen as a "challenge", ..... a test, a chance to find out ones capabilities etc etc. The CW is a chance to see another area .....to visit the moors and the sea, to see different scenery. The CtoC however, is most often viewed purely as a chance to walk across England. (I make no comments about the replies, only report the results of the surveys). Americans are far more numerous on the CtoC than on the other walks. This, they often explain, is because American trails tend to be remote and difficult to access whilst ours our reasonably easy to reach and of a reasonable length. They also like the thought of "walking across a country". So C2C192m2010, could I suggest you locate a local American site about the CtoC where you should find sympathetic answers to your very American questions. If you are a troll ... well done, I quite liked it. If you are serious you must accept that the English are fundamentally different in approach to you and you have met (some of) our typical cynicism. I am afraid I wind up Americans something shocking. I have seen them photographing a water point believing it to be Robin Hood's grave. Not that I would have told them this ....... As for telling them that puffins have peculiar shaped beaks because they keep getting stuck in cracks on the cliffs and have to be pulled out by volunteers ... it never crossed my mind.

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#52384 - 22/11/09 06:53 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: C2C192m2010]
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you been on the premium brew coast to coast ale?

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#52386 - 22/11/09 06:55 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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Old Peculier? .... No ... that's me.

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#52389 - 22/11/09 06:59 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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not you ; you old hippy ; that c2c192etc imposter.

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#52394 - 22/11/09 07:07 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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Originally Posted By: ruth020989
mein kampf translates as 'my struggle' and is infact a diary of his early difficult and challenging walks around europe.

hitlers wild camping is still a matter of some debate amongst historians ; whilst he used a number of routes to achieve his ends and to tackle things on a number of fronts i don't think this alone can be cited as evidence of his camping tendancies.



have anyone of you read "mein camp"

I did not think it was a diary of his wild camping.


the way I read it ,it was a dream to free the working class people of Germany and that is how the working class looked on him as their savour.

just the same as the working class in England to-day would look up to a man that promised to destroy the people who are fleecing this country
then again I could be wrong I generaly am
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#52396 - 22/11/09 07:14 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: tim smith]
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Mein Kampf is allegorical.

It's really the tale of thousands and thousands of walkers destroying the countryside of northern england ; we await our saviour. Fancy a job ern??

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#52398 - 22/11/09 08:22 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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An interpretation I find hard to accept. The aetiology of his ideas were formed, I believe, whilst meditating during a wild camping expedition on the eastern face of Catstye Cam. It is an attempt at philosophical appraisal of the effect that the invention of dehydrated meals would have on the proletariat. Hence the initial omission of the "f" in the title .... only subsequently added by irate coast to coasting renegades from Shropshire
(I've always wanted to use aetiology in a post ... even if its not the correct word)

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#52400 - 22/11/09 10:34 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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Originally Posted By: ruth020989
Mein Kampf is allegorical.

It's really the tale of thousands and thousands of walkers destroying the countryside of northern england ; we await our saviour. Fancy a job ern??

No Ruth
no job for me
and i think with my lack of literacy, I better withdraw from this discussion
I think we better get back to the orignal thread.
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#52412 - 23/11/09 04:22 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: ruth020989]
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Originally Posted By: ruth020989
mein kampf translates as 'my struggle' and is infact a diary of his early difficult and challenging walks around europe.

hitlers wild camping is still a matter of some debate amongst historians ; whilst he used a number of routes to achieve his ends and to tackle things on a number of fronts i don't think this alone can be cited as evidence of his camping tendancies.

Wanderlust, the eager desire or fondness for travelling and wandering, was very important on the continent in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, keen exponents of it being Richard Schirrmann (1874-1961), who opened the world's first Youth Hostel at Burg Altena, Germany 100 years ago, and Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) . I read a book about Scherrmann once and learnt that he allowed the German Youth Hostel movement to be hihacked by the Hitler Youth for some years, but perhaps he didn't really have any real say in the matter.

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#52413 - 23/11/09 04:24 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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I wish I knowed as much as you. I was basing my idea on the graffito scratched on the summit of Dollywagon "Adolph was here 1942". A common misconception.

There were many more Adolphs than Hitler so maybe one was there in 1942.

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#52415 - 23/11/09 07:33 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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The hidden code concealed on page 14 of "Mein Kamp" (sic), when deciphered by the boffins at GCHQ, indicated that the rationale behind the book came to into his head whilst backpacking on Dollywaggon. He tells that he wrote it as an aid to inexperienced wild campers stuck for rest rooms whilst undertaking the C to C.

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#52417 - 23/11/09 08:50 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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Originally Posted By: slowcoach
I wish I knowed as much as you. I was basing my idea on the graffito scratched on the summit of Dollywagon "Adolph was here 1942". A common misconception.

There were many more Adolphs than Hitler so maybe one was there in 1942.

Maybe there was more than one 1942,I think there is one everyday.
Just before quarter to eight, if I am not very much miss tucan
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#52418 - 23/11/09 08:56 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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There is nothing like a good thread .... and this is nothing like ....

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#52420 - 23/11/09 09:05 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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#52421 - 23/11/09 09:05 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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This thread has made me giggle! Really cheered up my night! Wish i'd have seen it earlier!

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#52431 - 24/11/09 06:01 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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Originally Posted By: Lounge Lizard
Originally Posted By: slowcoach
I wish I knowed as much as you. I was basing my idea on the graffito scratched on the summit of Dollywagon "Adolph was here 1942". A common misconception.

There were many more Adolphs than Hitler so maybe one was there in 1942.

Maybe there was more than one 1942,I think there is one everyday.
Just before quarter to eight, if I am not very much miss tucan

You're having a laugh now.

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#52461 - 24/11/09 06:27 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Lounge Lizard]
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Originally Posted By: Lounge Lizard
Originally Posted By: Reluctanttrucker
Originally Posted By: Lounge Lizard
[quote=slowcoach]I wish I knowed as much as you. I was basing my idea on the graffito scratched on the summit of Dollywagon "Adolph was here 1942". A common misconception.

There were many more Adolphs than Hitler so maybe one was there in 1942.

Maybe there was more than one 1942,I think there is one everyday.
Just before quarter to eight, if I am not very much miss tucan

You're having a laugh now. [/quote]
Oh indeed I am......but I haven't been up Dollywagon to check out the graffiti......YET
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#52463 - 24/11/09 08:06 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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There's only one piece of writing .... hence graffito. Don't anyone say that this site isn't the very apogee of education.

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#52485 - 25/11/09 07:09 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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There's only one piece of writing .... hence graffito. Don't anyone say that this site isn't the very apogee of education.

Apogee?
Was at en?
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#52488 - 25/11/09 08:08 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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To be honest .... I don't know .... it's just that my boss once said that one of my suggestions was the very apogee of incredulity ..... so it must be a compliment.

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#52517 - 27/11/09 01:21 PM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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To be honest .... I don't know .... it's just that my boss once said that one of my suggestions was the very apogee of incredulity ..... so it must be a compliment.

Or some lost tribe up the Amazon somewhere............and I don't mean the web site or warehouse in MK
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#52564 - 29/11/09 10:03 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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If they're "lost" .... how would .....

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#52567 - 29/11/09 10:35 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: slowcoach]
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If they're "lost" .... how would .....


Good point!
Well made!
Maybe semi-lost.
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#52598 - 30/11/09 07:27 AM Re: mid September 2010 bugs, mud, restrooms [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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Cue stories about the Elarewe tribe

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