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#52592 - 30/11/09 03:28 AM OL 33/34
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I have these (battered) maps. I will lend them to whom ever (subjective!)would like to use them and responds first (as long as they can wait a week or so for surface mail.) I will need them back by July 2010. If there are several requests, perhaps they can be passed from one to another as long as they get back to me by the above date.Please perform any necessary repairs as you use them.I bought them in 2000.

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#52597 - 30/11/09 07:26 AM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: canmal]
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Since 2000 these maps have been completely revised to include Open Access land. This is quite a significant revision in open countryside and enables walkers to take short cuts in case of unfavourable weather and lostness without incurring the wrath of locals. Also these maps have had several alterations to RUPPs, some (but not all) of which now have been reclassified as BOATS and RBs. In some cases RT routes have also been included. So, if you are visiting England next year I would suggest an upgrade.

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#52612 - 30/11/09 09:40 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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Originally Posted By: slowcoach
Since 2000 these maps have been completely revised to include Open Access land. This is quite a significant revision in open countryside and enables walkers to take short cuts in case of unfavourable weather and lostness without incurring the wrath of locals. Also these maps have had several alterations to RUPPs, some (but not all) of which now have been reclassified as BOATS and RBs. In some cases RT routes have also been included. So, if you are visiting England next year I would suggest an upgrade.


EXCUUUUUOOOOSE MEEEE????
I haven't done my route yet.
Arm waitn fer a map

EXCUUUUUUUSE MEEEEE.I haven't decided my route yet
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#52613 - 30/11/09 10:22 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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I know you live in Suffolk,but coming to Yorkshire doesn't count as visiting England. Civilisation, yes, but not England.

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#52614 - 30/11/09 10:33 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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grinI didn't realise you had seen me and my big orange truck, or I would have waved.
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#52615 - 30/11/09 10:42 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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Not the orange SHAPED one I trust?

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#52618 - 01/12/09 05:15 AM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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Does that mean they're no good?..sorry, don't know what you mean re "RUPPs,BOATS,RB's."
Can you get an upgrade to these strip maps?

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#52619 - 01/12/09 05:26 AM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: canmal]
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They are now out of print and have become a rare species. I would suggest they are perfectly usable and you may find yourself the envy of other c2c walkers.
Pay no attention to RUPPS, etc.

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#52626 - 01/12/09 04:35 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Gregg]
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The original idea of these OS maps was to act a prototype for the eventual production of linear maps of each long distance footpath. Unfortunately this idea was abandoned by the OS (with the exception of Hadrian's Wall) for a number of unexpected reasons.

Firstly, the take up by walkers was, surprisingly, well below expectations. This was eventually traced back (through a questionnaire) to the fact that walkers, in general, like myself, tend to undertake LDPs using a guidebook. These invariably contain a linear map so the standard OS maps are taken as well to provide an overview of the terrain beyond the linear limits. They saw no reason to purchase an extra linear map.

Secondly, the choice of the C to C as a first trial was a poor one in that it was an unofficial trail. The route had been plotted without consultation with interested bodies and received little support from NPs or councils. AWs route was perceived as paying no heed to local environmental needs. There were issues (such as Nine Standards) where the route was unsuitable for year round heavy usage and subsequent diversions were required. The OS found itself caught in the middle of an unexpected controversy.

Thirdly, stemming from the above, the number of minor, but significant alterations (as around the Lion) would have meant frequent reprints which sales could not justify. The idea of linear long distance routes therefore bit the dust.

My mention of Rupps, BOATs and RBs was intended to show that OS maps are an evolving system which constantly change. The longer a map is held the more it becomes out of date. The OS were always reluctant to include RTs on maps as their status had been occasionally challenged. However a court case recently clarified the law and they are now starting to appear on maps, although unnamed. These could significantly assist walkers.

Yes, you can still use a ten year old map and you will probably not experience too much difficulty. However, as in all cases of people walking in remote terrain, the more up to date the map you have the less likely you are to encounter problems, especially under adverse conditions. Don't rely on luck, always consider the worse case scenario. Compare your map to the ones in a modern guidebook or current OS maps (viewable on the OS website) and make the decision yourself from the evidence.

Here endeth the first lesson!!!




Agreed, most of a map will remain the same. However, advise is always to use the best equipment that you can afford. Most walkers carry decent waterproofs but I have frequently seen individuals shelyering from a storm clad in a poncho or pacamac.

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#52627 - 01/12/09 06:30 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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I have been wondering what the following were as I didn't know and I assumed everyone else did! For those that didn't:-

BOATS Byways Open to All Traffic

RUPPs - Roads used mainly as Public Paths

RBs Restricted Byways
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#52628 - 01/12/09 06:32 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Harland]
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I forgot to say thank you to slowcoach as I didn't know that was the reason for them being discontinued, I had assumed that OS wanted us to buy more maps.
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#52633 - 01/12/09 07:43 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Harland]
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Apologies.

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#52634 - 01/12/09 07:44 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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Apologies, my apologies were sent before I saw your second post!!!

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#52636 - 01/12/09 08:19 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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BY the way..What were or are RT's?
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#52637 - 01/12/09 09:37 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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RT stands for "ratione tenurae" which I believe means "by virtue of tenancy". They are public highways (either by foot, horse of vehicular) which are maintained by the tenant over whose land they pass but who, in turn, can reclaim the money from the landowner. These are amongst the oldest public routes, many of which date back to beyond the conquest.

As Billy Norman owned all the land after 1066 he was responsible for maintaining all highways, ports, harbours and church pews. As he gave the land away as reward for services rendered the maintenance then devolved to the new owner. As the land was further subdivided the burden of maintenance passed to the new tenant and so on, but the cost still fell onto the landowner.

These routes were enshrined in common law in 1189 being confirmed in several acts of Parliament since,and they can only be closed by Act of Parliament ... consequently their legal status as public routes still stands today. The OS baulked initially at marking them by now tend to show them, when they don't ignore them, as either unmade up roads, with black dashed lines or as white gaps between features. Don't underestimate them, there are thousands still around today. many provide useful short cuts, if you know where they are!

A good example (but only one of many) is on the North York Moors east sheet (OL27)South Moor farm (900897). There is an RT road going diagonally north east across the fields. The farmer has to maintain it but the Forestry commission has to pay. Old OS maps show the bridleway starting at the farm and travelling north east. The RT was the only access onto the bridleway before it was diverted south ... but the legal line of the RT to the farm still exists. If you look at 903903 where there is a spot height of 231 you will see an RT road going north immediately east of the Forest Drive.
You can read about them by googling their name.

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#52641 - 01/12/09 11:24 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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Thanks for the explanation. Just to clarify, I'm not using them myself, but I've seen people asking for them, so my offer stands if anyone wants to borrow them (taking notes of the cautionary info!)

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#52660 - 03/12/09 10:45 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: slowcoach]
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Thanks SC.
I am planning in following as much as poss the AW route,
so hopefully with my up to date book and some maps and a clear
day,I should manage.............SHOULD being the operative word.
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#52669 - 04/12/09 07:21 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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OS 33 and 34 can be downloaded from the internet. I printed these out to scale and then cut them up into days, at the end of each day I would chuck away the used section.

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#52734 - 08/12/09 11:01 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: *tim*]
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Originally Posted By: *tim*
OS 33 and 34 can be downloaded from the internet. I printed these out to scale and then cut them up into days, at the end of each day I would chuck away the used section.

Do you have a link for them? I tried unsuccessfully to locate any.
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#52759 - 09/12/09 08:31 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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Here you go http://www.walkingplaces.co.uk/c2c/osmaps.htm

Click both pictures to download map as a zip file, extract it and then open the pdf file.

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#52760 - 09/12/09 08:32 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: *tim*]
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Oh, you'll end up with 4 maps in total, as each is double sided

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#52761 - 09/12/09 10:13 PM Re: OL 33/34 [Re: *tim*]
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Thankx tim.
Will give it a go.
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