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#54890 - 16/04/10 12:55 PM Bad weather alternative route Patterdale to Shap
1066 Offline
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Registered: 16/04/10
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Hi all,
I have a couple of questions about bad weather alternatives for the Patterdale - Shap leg:
a. Wainwright mentions a low level route via Howton - where does the route go from there to arrive in Shap?
b. I have heard mention of taking the ferry to Pooley Bridge and then presumably follow the road to Shap?
c. if the weather (particularly the wind) is bad, is it viable to cross Kidsty Pike going via Hartson / Hayeswater, thereby limiting the exposure?
Your thoughts would be appreciated.

#54893 - 16/04/10 02:50 PM Re: Bad weather alternative route Patterdale to Shap [Re: 1066]
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Registered: 12/06/05
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Loc: West Lancs.
Providing you have all the wet weather gear, just go by the normal route. I would say the only reason to take an easier lower alternative is in the case of Storm Force winds. If its wet, its wet, no big deal.
That's the trouble when an author mentions a wet weather alternative, some walkers use it regardless of the weather, simply as an easier route. I'm not saying that's your case, but in the spirit of the walk, stay with the route, Kidsty Pike may be the highest point on the C2C, but in lakeland terms it is quite lowly.

#54901 - 16/04/10 05:30 PM Re: Bad weather alternative route Patterdale to Shap [Re: 1066]
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Registered: 21/02/07
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Loc: Derbyshire, England
At the risk of appearing unhelpful (What? Me?) you will need a map rather than a guide book if you're going to walk any alternative route, so it's a case of sitting down with your map and working something out for yourself.

Bear in mind that "wet weather" can be extreme, which could mean flooded roads and dodgy stream crossings, even between Howtown and Shap. As Slogger's response implies, the water quickly runs off the steep hills between Patterdale and Haweswater, so bad visibility and strong winds are a bigger problem than wet weather. The water doesn't always clear from the lower ground as quickly as we'd like, and I can assure you that wading along several hundred metres of flooded road is no fun at all.

#54908 - 17/04/10 01:49 AM Re: Bad weather alternative route Patterdale to Shap [Re: Stottie]
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Registered: 17/08/99
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Loc: Escanaba, Mich, USA
A few years ago we took the Ulswater route because I'd been over Kidsty before, and because one of the party had a bad knee. On a beautiful day it was a delightful walk. We watched the dogs work at Howtown, and the boats sail on Ulswater. The navigation was easy with a guidebook (Hannon?), but the alternative was about 4 miles longer. To me, another benefit is avoiding Haweswater, a long boring stretch. There is no need to take the boat. Do I need to return my C2C certificate of completion? No matter, I have two others.

#54909 - 17/04/10 05:25 AM Re: Bad weather alternative route Patterdale to Shap [Re: Slogger]
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Registered: 14/03/09
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I wouldn't necesarily say that following the walk by the book by the letter is "in the spirit" of the walk. Wainwright specifically said he hoped people would find their own routes and that his walk was "A" c 2 c, not "the" c2c walk.

#54912 - 17/04/10 09:24 AM Re: Bad weather alternative route Patterdale to Shap [Re: rjb1978]
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Thanks for your feedback, it s much appreciated - yes its the wind that is my main concern, the rain is part of the joys of lakeland!
I have the relevant OS map and will 'follow my nose'. I guess it will depend on the weather on the day - we are walking in late May. Thanks again,


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