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#59925 - 17/02/11 07:31 AM Henry Stedman 2010 edition
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Hello everyone, I've not posted for a while but I've been keeping up to date with everything !

Anyway,I was browsing the Trailblazer-guides website the other day and had a look at the 2010 edition of the Henry Stedman C2C book....and saw that some people have been posting updates re the route/general info etc.

This may have already been mentioned in other threads/posts previously but I just thought it may be of interest to some of you, especially anyone doing the walk this year.

I am all booked up for my 4th crossing this summer hence my browsings and keeping up to date with all things C2C !

Regards to all

Walking Wounded

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#62084 - 28/06/11 08:12 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: walkingwounded]
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There are further updates from June 2011 walkers on the Traiblazer-guides website, if anyone is interested.

Does anyone know if the Three Tuns pub at Cleator has re-opened yet ?

Also, have any recent C2C'ers encountered any problems with cattle anywhere on the route ?

There are usually some in the fields between Ivelet and Reeth which have caused walkers problems before and also in the fields soon after Reeth towards Marrick.

I also remember some blocking the path in the corner of a field near a stile just after Wray House Farm ( Map 69,page 201 in the latest Stedman )on my last crossing in May 2009.

The reason I ask is because I have encountered some problems lately with cattle and any updates, advice etc. would be appreciated in advance of my next C2C this summer.

Regards to all

Walking Wounded

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#62085 - 28/06/11 09:13 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: walkingwounded]
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I encountered more cattle in 32 hours on the Dales Way than on the entire C2C route.
This has been widely covered before, however I have never had problems with cattle in over 50 years of all types of country walking. Sure you get the excited young calves running down and alongside you, but if you remain confident they back off. Ive had a herd of their mums gallop down to me as I approached a gate, but a stern shout soon had them stop.
If they crowd a gate or stile, approach calmly and confidently, not too fast and they will get the message and move away.
If walking through a field with cows or bulls, find your line, but meander slightly to go round each one and if you don't make eye contact, they shouldn't see you as a threat, and will ignore you.
Finally try to keep well away from their young, move slowly to avoid startling them.
Dave.

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#62094 - 29/06/11 12:24 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Slogger]
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I'm walking the coast to coast this August, but from Robin Hood's Bay to St. Bees. I will be taking notes on pubs, shops, atm's cafe's and camp sites along the route.

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#62096 - 29/06/11 12:55 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: flatlands]
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Originally Posted By: flatlands
I'm walking the coast to coast this August, but from Robin Hood's Bay to St. Bees. I will be taking notes on pubs, shops, atm's cafe's and camp sites along the route.


Was that taking notes on pubs or IN pubs?
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#62098 - 29/06/11 02:01 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Harland]
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Originally Posted By: Harland
Originally Posted By: flatlands
I'm walking the coast to coast this August, but from Robin Hood's Bay to St. Bees. I will be taking notes on pubs, shops, atm's cafe's and camp sites along the route.


Was that taking notes on pubs or IN pubs?
On pubs, I simply can't afford the pub prices nowadays and I'm on the wagon now, cutting my weekly drinking to two pints a week. I guess the coast to coast is going to be a dry run, I may have the odd orange juice every few days. What do there charge for a pint of orange juice in the pubs nowadays, are there rip-off prices.

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#62101 - 29/06/11 02:11 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: flatlands]
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A farmer told me last week that she believes the increasing problems with cattle over the past few years are as a result of crossing them with Holstein bulls. This increases their aggressive nature!

What is surprising though, is that the deaths caused by cattle occur throughout the countryside fraternity .... vets, farmers, farmhands etc, not just walkers. So there can't be an easy way to identify if any of the ones that you see pose a threat. The maxim is, if they have calves along with them, just be extra vigilant.

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#62123 - 01/07/11 12:50 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: slowcoach]
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The only place I had problems with cows on two crossings was in the field just after the churchyard with the 150 year old man in. The cows were all congregated around the exit stile. I sidled around the edge of the field, put a piece of straw in my mouth and tried to look like a farmer - that seemed to work.

Geof

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#62125 - 01/07/11 06:58 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: geofconnor]
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I think that, like Lyme's Disease, the more fractious nature of cows is a growing problem. Twenty years ago both were virtually unknown commodities and something that few, if any, walkers gave a second thought to. In the intervening years both have become an increasing concern that people should now be aware of rather than worried about.

The problems with cows are chiefly (but not always) connected with them having calves to foot and being frightened by dogs, so it is possible, to some extent, to anticipate the situations which create a potential for danger.

That said, the unlucky farmer and vet did not have any pets with them.

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#62126 - 01/07/11 09:01 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: slowcoach]
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Could just be that both increases are down to the fact that more and more people are taking to walking the countryside.
There has been a dramatic increase in the number of walkers over the last 10 years in particular.
Obviously this fact alone would account for an increase in number of Lyme disease cases and incidents with cattle.
It is possible that the farmer and vet simply became victims of complacency.
I personally have not noticed any change in cattle behavior over the years, and I do think it is more to do with how some people themselves behave when they come across them.
Dave.

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#62127 - 01/07/11 09:12 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: walkingwounded]
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Going back to one of the original questions on this thread, "The Three Tuns" pub at Cleator is up for sale and I believe has been granted planning permission to be converted to a private dwelling house.

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#62128 - 01/07/11 09:42 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Slogger]
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Strangely enough, statistics (provided by on-path counters such as those below stiles, open access surveys and surveys along long distance paths) have shown a decline in the number of walkers over the past few years.

The greatest drop has been in the 18 to 25 year age group who have almost completely deserted walking for mountain biking. The number of youngsters (on D of E for example) has remained static but the number of school parties actually walking open countryside has declined dramatically .... possibly because teachers now prefer to take groups to activity centres where they are catered for by specialists.

The surprising result of the National trail surveys is that fewer and fewer people are doing a first usage, a majority of people interviewed on such as the Pennine Way are undertaking repeat crossings. How this will affect the future I don't know!

It is tempting to draw conclusions from such places as the Lakes which remain popular with specialist activities such as climbing and say that they are becoming more and more crowded .... which I personally think they are .... but it is less true to say that of the Dales, Moors or Northumberland. Overall, the trend away from the honeypots is certainly downwards.

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#62130 - 02/07/11 11:01 AM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Slogger]
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Three Tuns Still Closed
Cattle not a problem.
Narrow stiles and fat bottom don't mix.
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#62134 - 02/07/11 04:08 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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I have never been bothered about walking through fields with cattle in them.If they have been on the footpath,i've just given them a wide berth.If they have been near stiles,as Slogger says a bit of bravado and they will soon back off and give way. However,whilst out with my girlfriend in the Peak District last year,we were walking through a field,on the footpath(no dog) and there were a herd of cattle(20-25)approx 50 yards away.We carried on and had more or less passed them when suddenly,as one they set off running straight towards us. Now,some of you might say that i should have stood my ground and been assertive,but let me assure you that in reality the only thing in our minds was to run.My girlfriend went over the stile first and i vaulted it and almost landed on top of her on the other side with the cattle breathing down my neck as i jumped.I cannot understand why they did it but it has now left me very wary and my girlfriend is terrified of the things to the extent that we have had to detour some distance whilst out walking.I will not be surprised to hear of more casualties in the future and i am one who would subscribe to the thought that something has changed in the nature of (certain) cattle.

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#62136 - 02/07/11 05:18 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: c2cer]
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I can guarentee if you were to stand your ground,wave your arms in large circles and shout very loudly even the most frisky bovines will bugger off in the away direction.
This I learned as a farmhand in my youth.
You could also just shout COME ON, several times, in a broad farmer type voice, and cows, being a bit thick will generally treat you as a friend and will generally wander in your direction thinking you have something for them, but a quick flick out of the arms will send them off again in the aforementioned away direction.
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#62137 - 02/07/11 05:19 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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or was that wolves?
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#62140 - 02/07/11 08:41 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Reluctanttrucker]
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"I can guarentee if you were to stand your ground,wave your arms in large circles and shout very loudly even the most frisky bovines will bugger off in the away direction".


If they are protecting their young and they have Holstein blood coursing through their veins they won't. I can't imagine that the vet and the farmer didn't think to themselves before they met their end .... now ....I'll just try ......

Seriously though, it is an increasing problem of modern origin. Something has changed over the past few years ... crossbreeding or not. I think that it is incumbent on everyone to be that little bit more careful than they would have been some years ago.

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#62143 - 03/07/11 09:57 AM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: slowcoach]
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Certainly be aware of the potential danger, and avoid complacency. However there are bigger dangers when out walking than going through a field full of cattle. To be unduly concerned is unnecessary in my opinion.
Now a field full of pigs is a different matter, but then we shouldn't have been in that field in the first place.
Dave.

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#62154 - 03/07/11 08:36 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Slogger]
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Unduly concerned .... certainly not ..... but extra vigilant, certainly ... ask c2cer how he feels now!

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#62184 - 04/07/11 05:41 PM Re: Henry Stedman 2010 edition [Re: Slogger]
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Originally Posted By: Slogger

Now a field full of pigs is a different matter, but then we shouldn't have been in that field in the first place.
Dave.

That goes for the sheep too, Dave. But I did promise not to tell anyone about that.
Oooops.Sorry.
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