Those that have done this challenge route may know.
I realise that this is a route that anyone can as and when and that there is an annual race.
Is this route supposed to be wholly walked or does it count however you go, walk & run as in ultra marathon style etc.
I have the new book and know that the record for 5 consecutive completions is 85+ hours.
I have no intention by the way of doing 5, but I may consider an out and back, if only to get back to the car.
Dave.

Bill Cowley's idea of the LYKE WAKE WALK, was that it should be done in under 24 hours and that some of the walk should be done during the hours of darkness.

I think some of the times I have walked it we must have cheated , because we use try and take advantage of a full moon,
but it was not always visible

What I was meaning is that, like during LDWA events, on challenge routes where runners are allowed they usually start an hour after the walkers. However many of the so called 'Walkers' also run where they can. Hence the long standing controversy "Are you a walker or a runner", as many see it that the walkers who run are cheating.
So the question is, with the Lyke Wake Walk are times such as those recorded as records and winning times as in the race, supposed to be done as at walking pace or are you allowed to do some running, or is it simply a free for all 'do it how you wish'?
Dave.

Actually Ive just had a look on the clubs website and my question is answered there.
It states that one of the objects of the club is to promote long distance Walking and 'Running'.
Dave.

I think "walks" such as the Lyke Wake should be allowed to evolve,ie,each generation aims for an improvement in performance.They were designed as a challenge for people to test their stamina.Running is most certainly the way to go,the faster the better.Perhaps the benchmark today should be there and back as the standard test.Some of us have walked the single distance during backpacking trips so a double without the burden of a pack would be a reasonable challenge.

you are allowed 48hours for the double

Terry Roberts aged 52 I aged 72, did this double on the 20/21st 0f August 1997
starting at Osmotherley, we had good weather until we arrived at the Scarborough Whitby road from there on to Ravenscar it poured down,
we returned to the Scarborough Whitby road and camped passing a bottle of whisky back and forth from tent to tent

WE WERE WELL SUPPORTED by HAL WARBURTON who had some various meals ready for us at arranged meeting places.so we were able to walk light ,no heavy pack!!!

we met other people doing the double the same night, just as we were making for Scarth Nick we met them again on their return journey

we completed the double with 5 and a 1/4 hours to spare.
and I must add that we walked over the Cleveland hill tops both
ways and no [url=blistershttp://www.coast2coast.co.uk/forum/images/icons/default/smirk.gif]blistershttp://www.coast2coast.co.uk/forum/images/icons/default/smirk.gif[/url]

forgot to mention that Bill Cowley suggested an extra hour per year for any one over 65 years old

you are allowed 48hours for the double

Terry Roberts aged 52 and I aged 72, did this double on the 20/21st 0f August 1997
starting at Osmotherley, we had good weather until we arrived at the Scarborough Whitby road from there on to Ravenscar it poured down,
we returned to the Scarborough Whitby road and camped passing a bottle of whisky back and forth from tent to tent

WE WERE WELL SUPPORTED by HAL WARBURTON who had some various meals ready for us at arranged meeting places.so we were able to walk light ,no heavy pack!!!

we met other people doing the double the same night, just as we were making for Scarth Nick we met them again on their return journey

we completed the double with 5 and a 1/4 hours to spare.
and I must add that we walked over the Cleveland hill tops both
ways and no blisters

Have had my battered L.W.W.book out and I was wrong about an extra hour
bill writes in his book and I quote "we are prepared to allow
an extra 12hours for every 5 years of age over 65!"

Good Heavens This really is a blast from the past!

As a walk the Lyke Wake has virtually died out over the past few years. I can well remember the Moors being almost continually lit up with torches throughout the hours of darkness. The major support points,... Hagg's Gate, Ralph Crosses, Ellerbeck and Jugger was just a seething mass of humanity (in various states of distress) through every weekend. Now it is rare, apart from organised event days, to see one or two walkers a month.

Early walkers will no doubt remember the "nodding donkey" just beyond Ralphs, the constant hum of the early radar at Fylingdales and the need to obtain permission to pass alongside the radar station fencing!

The main problems were the serious erosion that was taking place along the route (much of which is still evident) and the serious fire 1976 which started alongside the route across Whinny Moor.

Because of this a voluntary code of conduct was agree with Bill Cowley who realised that he had created a juggernaut. One was an agreement that group sizes should be limited to 5 (later raised to 10).

Today, virtually all crossings are organised events, such as the annual race and regular annual group walks, individuals and people just doing a plain straightforward walk are very hard to spot. There are so many alternatives challenges today.

another one of Bill Cowley's challenge walks was the
Sheperds Round.This was walk that for a challenge should take not more than 24 hours , but he says it makes a good 2day walk.
this walk was to take the preasure off the Lyke wake walk

Hi Slow Coach,
it is blast from the past at 86 I seem to be doing more talking about walking than actually walking.
keep promising myself I will get out more.

Hi Ern. Good to hear from you again.

If you can manage a day out at Hutton-le-Hole, the folk museum has just opened a cafe inside. On the wall is an interesting display about the LWW giving details about its origins, history and memories of past crossings and crossers. Some good photos as well.

The museum has been updated and is worth a visit on its own, but, if you are as tight as I am, then just ask at the counter if you can go in for a cuppa. They generally let you do this.

Ern ......Are you aware of the "Breath of Fresh Air" walks taking place on the first Sunday and first Wednesday of each month on the Moors?

They are ranger led and fall into three categories .... up to a mile, two to 5 miles and about 5 miles. Each one has a focus and the ranger is usually an expert in his/her field. You can pick up a brochure at any Moors TIC or phone 01439 770657 to get one sent. There is usually a different morning and afternoon one from the same location so it can be extended in distance.

When I am 86 I just hope I can get out!!!!

Thanks Slowcoach,
most of the walks I do are ones that I just look at the map and join a few few red lines up, green on the later maps.
I think I am not keen to drive a long distance now to get to a walk, maybe this is just an excuses
to cover up a bit of idleness.
Thanks for the information though.

I ma sure, and hope, you will be still as fit or fitter than me when you get to 86.
people are living a lot longer now and as long as they keep active will enjoy life,
We always say wear away ,don't rust away.

I think you are wearing very well Ern, and may you continue to do so.
Dave.

Thanks Dave ,
better to be born lucky than rich.
and good health to you too and all the walkers
The sun is shining I should be out and about .
cheers