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#77264 - 25/11/12 08:59 PM E-W C2C - 2013
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Planning to do an E-W C2C for my third run over this great route; probably in August next year after an Offas Dyke Walk. Apart from doing the route in reverse I was hoping to add some more variety by using non standard day splits, for example, possibly trying to finish day 3 somewhere on the flat bit then going past Richmond on day 4. That sort of thing if you see what I mean. Maybe some variations coming back through the lake district too... B&B/hostel for me these days (the old bones get too stiff camping)
Thinking about taking 11 days or so (did a 10 day last time and felt slightly rushed)
Any thoughts welcome
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#77267 - 27/11/12 07:46 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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I would think you have plenty of options for what you intend as you are going B&B/hostel etc. Would be more awkward in the flat bit for wild camping although there are camp sites.
The Steadman guide would be a good help with this as ut lists all facilities along the route.
Dave.

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#77270 - 01/12/12 05:02 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: Slogger]
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White Swan Danby Wiske do B&B and a jolly good pint at lunchtime to. Folks we were catching up to on our 2011 crossing stayed there for certain.
THey also allow camping, or so I am led to believe, but as you say....old bones.
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#77272 - 01/12/12 10:57 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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We did the walk last year W to E and stayed at Lovesome Hill Farm at Oaktree Hill which would be about 16 miles before Richmond going E to W. As well as B&B there's also a bunkhouse and they do evening meals as I don't think there's anywhere else to eat as it's not in a village as such. It's listed on the accomodation section on here, and we enjoyed our stay there so can recommend it.

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#77274 - 02/12/12 12:16 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: suffolk stroller]
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We camped at Lovesome Hill farm a few years ago, there was a small garden area with room for half a dozen tents, I assume that is still an option.

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#77284 - 03/12/12 08:39 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: Les + Heidi]
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Thanks guys,
Good thought..wonder if I can get to Oaktree Hill in 2 days..fair old step...but if I cut off the cliff loop leaving RHB...and the last 7 miles after Ingleby are pretty flat...

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#77285 - 03/12/12 08:41 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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Early start from the Lion Inn and a couple of warm days may help..

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#77342 - 19/12/12 08:44 AM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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Steady walking inc the path to Hawkser, and over the tops of Cleveland hills, with a 0430 start from, RHB got me to Ing X for 2000hrs. All just depends om how many hours you are prepared to walk each day.
Dave.

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#77395 - 05/02/13 03:46 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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I don't understand Dave's 2nd post as you quite clearly want to give camping a miss... and his 2nd post, although I'm sure he didn't intend it to, comes across as rather arrogant!
4 am starts aren't going to be necessary on an 11 day crossing surely..? If ever I use a B&B, I want to be there at the big event - full English!
To put it into perspective, in Wainwright miles, it's around 25m to the Lion Inn; InglebyX comes at around 45m and Lovesome Hill maybe 52m. So to get 2*25m in is not too much of a stretch. However as you're not going for a 7 day crossing, why not consider a 1st steady day to B&B at Hill Top Fm, Littlebeck maybe..? You could start more leisurely and break yourself in, which would be more in keeping with your 11 day plan..?
Dave, for a fast crossing, shaved a good bit off by using the old railway track path from RHB and road to Littlebeck thus missing out Graystone, Sneaton Moor and the woods at Falling Foss, but is there much point in deviating from Alf's chosen route when aiming for 11 days?
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#77396 - 05/02/13 07:33 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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You would need a 4am start if you were to make Lovesome Hill at the end of day 2.

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#77398 - 05/02/13 08:32 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: tonyk]
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I wouldn't, but then I just don't know how fit Johnny is...
as he says 'any thoughts welcome' - adding a day 0 with a 6pm start has always been part of my plan to date.
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#77401 - 06/02/13 03:51 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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Mick,
To clarify. I mentioned the dificulty of wild camping on the section between Ingleby Cross and Richmond as an add on, meaning that his options for B&B are more plentiful than if he were wild camping.
My post mentioning the time it took me to get to Ing X from RHB was intended as a guide in terms of walking hours, for the distance. I know well that he wasn't going to attempt it in one go, but as I was hardly walking at a fast pace, thought he may be able to use that info as a guide to how long parts of that section may take him.
Dave.

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#77407 - 06/02/13 09:03 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: Slogger]
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No worries Dave - John's response to this comes in another thread anyway... (see Smokingman's)
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#78568 - 04/03/13 10:28 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: lightweightmick]
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Hi Guys,
Just come back to this one having set up an Offa's Dyke for early June.
I am after putting in a bit of variety having done the C2C twice in the last two years. Not as easy as it looks especially as I don't want to be doing 10 mile days ( but equally don't fancy 30 mile plus ones). It does seem that the east coast to Richmond is a three day walk whichever way you slice it up, especially as accommodation between Richmond and Reeth is a bit thin on the ground which sort of rules out Oaktree Hill if see what I mean. I think maybe the shortcut route to Grosmont thence onto Blakey and just do the IX and Richmond option ( I did stay at Colburn last time out).
The more I think about it the more I go get drawn back to the W-E idea. Is the route westwards genuinely enjoyable and different?

John

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#78570 - 04/03/13 10:41 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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The main idea behind E-W is that you save the best bit till the end - that's if you're not too knackered to appreciate it! With sore feet those stony Lakes paths come keen, not to mention the ascent and inevitable descent...
It's also considered more challenging to be going against the grain of the prevailing winds!
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#78571 - 04/03/13 10:48 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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Oh, and the full English does have an enduring appeal! It is interesting reading various posts about walking schedules; all equally valid I hasten to add. Having come to walking a bit late in life(with a gap of 45 years since I left the scouts)I tend to see it as a "walk with a purpose" ie not a stroll but not over testing my limits of endurance. That said I do carry all my own gear ( usually about 15 kg )and enjoy the feeling that things just could go wrong when you are out on the hills in bad weather by yourself. So whilst I could not see myself aspiring to Dave's crossing times and probably wouldn't enjoy it even if I could do it...I admit to slightly looking down my nose at 15 day baggage carried crossings.
I did 10 days last year in very bad weather..alone most of the way and didn't think that was a bad effort; probably wouldn't want to do it much quicker. This year thought I could ease it back a bit and enjoy myself hence the 11 day thought.
Any way guys I enjoy reading peoples different perspectives and find them informative..keep em coming

John

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#78700 - 07/03/13 12:22 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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My last attempt came unstuck due to lack of a few full English breakfasts - certainly would have made all the difference no doubt - though you don't usually get an early start from a B&B and Dave would have covered 15 miles by 9am - it's all down to what you set out to acheive. I must admit on my 5 day attempts I enjoy it for the 1st three days at least - except for the 2nd attempt which went badly wrong... but Dave seems to relish it when the pain kicks in and maintains the pace he starts at!
So each to his own - hope yours turns out well,
cheers
lwm
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#78706 - 07/03/13 02:04 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: john57r]
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What I actually do is work out the distance I have to achieve per day. The AW route of the C2C works out at around 38 miles per day.
Averaging 2.5 mph is comfortable for me, without forcing the pace, but does include a couple of short stops each day. When actually mving i am probably doing around 3mph to 3.2mph on average. The stops bring it down to 2.5mph.
38 miles per day at 2.5mph, mean walking for around 15+ hours per day, hence the early starts. I start without a brew and just eat some cereal bars whilst on the move. As long as I can get a proper meal anytime after 2pm I am ok. I have never liked full English breakfast, it's just too much for me first thing a morning. At home I simply have a small bowl of cereals, often go without any lunch and have a reasonable evening meal, nothing special.
The first day going W - E I made it to just before Ruthwaite Lodge 40+ miles after stopping for Chips and Scampi at the Scafell Hotel in Rosthwaite and a Bowl of Soup at the Travellers rest near Grasmere. That day was 18 hours.
I get a bit weary towards the end of each day, but not to the point of needing to cut a day short, getting behind schedule is not an option.
I did one of my regular routes last Sunday a 24 miler, indulating old LDWA event. I have walked all of it in 5 hrs 14 mins, comfortably, I would have broken 5 hrs but for constantly waitin for my mate, who I eventually left with about 8 miles to go.
Anyway this time I thought I'd run it as much as possible and got round absolutley exhausted only 30 minutes quicker.
That told me what I had thought for some time, that running with a pack on, at least in my case, can use up more energy than it's worth.
Dave.

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#78733 - 07/03/13 10:07 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: Slogger]
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It most certainly uses more energy running with a pack Dave. These last two years I've made training more specific by carrying same weight as expected with 'event' in mind on all routes over 5m, whether it pays off remains to be seen... but I certainly felt stretched on Sunday's 15 miler at just over 15 m/m pace and couldn't see me maintaining that for twice as far again for sure...
I'd need to doss in the RHB bus shelter to get me off for 4am though!
I think you did at least the 1st day of your E-W a bit quicker too as you've calculated on the harsher flat-measured Google miles - it's probably more like 43-44m?
Anyway, no intention of hijaking John's thread...
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#78749 - 08/03/13 09:54 PM Re: E-W C2C - 2013 [Re: lightweightmick]
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Hey , no problem at all. Because I have not set out to specifically cover the maximum distance possible per day, I tend to carry what I think I need rather than what I really need; especially as I am in company in the evenings ( change of clothes etc). Looking at my walking times (which are admittedly rather crudely measured) pack weight does not really impede my pace. I tend to carry about 16kg on a long walk like the c2c and walk at around 2.3mph through the lakes and about 3.0mph on the flat (rests included). I start to get a bit "leggy" after 20 miles. The longest day I did last time out was around 26 miles (Osmotherley to Rosedale Village with a fog related diversion on Blakey Ridge ie I got lost for a bit. This took me 10.5 hours..was too wet and windy to stop. when I do practise walks in the Yorkshire Wolds, close to home, I carry a pack just for weight, I record around 4mph on 12-15 milers but I suspect this is something to do with the mobile phone gps I use to record pace on theses day walks..I always seem to walk faster according to it than I think I am or more accurately I cover more miles than my brain tells me I am. I will try a couple of 20 milers without a pack and see how I get on.
On the walk itself; it is interesting that the better you know a route does not make it easier to plan changes in itinery; it just puts more options into your head.
I am doing Offas Dyke as a warm up to the summer at the end of May and am looking forward to it simply because it is an unknown quantity.

John

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