Oh, I don't know now. If you look at my earlier post Les, I said they felt harder to me not softer. Mind you my feet are not much to go by these days. I'm going on a walk with another Spine guy tomorrow night from Standedge to the White House and back, but I'm going to get some miles in first the other way, maybe as far as Black Hill and back to Standedge to meet up. That will give me a better idea on them.